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  • #16
    suc6 kerel
    ben benieuwd naar de verandering van je body en naar de gains
    Who's the Chef

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    • #17
      Originally posted by snipke
      Dan was je toch slecht geinformeerd want hgh zorgt helemaal niet voor massa winst of je moet al naar de 20iu per dag gaan. Hgh zorgt enkel voor vetverbranding en toename in nieuwe spiercellen die je dan moet opvullen met as.

      @baricade : serieus kuurtje kerel, hoop dat je goed weet waar je mee bezig bent want insuline is nu toch iets dat ik nooit zou gebruiken, ik zit ook al een tijdje aan de hgh en heb er goede resultaten mee.
      Is dat altijd zo dat insuline alleen op trainingsdagen wordt gezet of doe jij het enkel zo

      Grtz
      ja klopt idd insuline is zeer gevaarlijk ik heb eerst veel informatie gezocht hier op de site. en hulp van hardgainers. hgh in combi met aas gaat ook zeker goed kun je ook zeker groot mee worden. een jongen bij ons op de sportschool heeft ook alleen hgh met aas gedaan gedurende 6 maand en is een beest geworden. ja alleen naar trainen zetten want dan ben je het hardst nodig. insuline zorgt er voor dat voedingstoffen direct in de spieren worden gepompt en dus sneller herstel. hoe sneller herstel hoe meer zware trainingen je kunt doen dus nog harder groeien. na het zetten van insuline zeker niet vet eten vet wordt dan 10 keer zo hard aan gezet. ik vond het ook eerst te gevaarlijk insuline zetten maar ben me er erg in gaan verdiepen en ben nu zelf 2 weken op weg met insuline en gaat als een beest. ik heb een schematjes staan voor insuline als je dat aan houdt komt het goed.

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      • #18
        hier een mooi verhaal over hgh. lees vooral het laatste regeltje es.

        In the human body growth hormone is produced by the pituitary
        gland. It exists at especially high levels during adolescence when it
        promotes the growth of tissues, protein deposition and the breakdown
        of subcutaneous fat stores. Upon maturation endogenous levels of GH
        decrease, but remain present in the body at a substantially lower level.
        In the body the actual structure of growth hormone is a sequence of
        191 amino acids. Once scientists isolated this hormone, many became
        convinced it would exhibit exceptional therapeutic properties. It would
        be especially effective in cases of pituitary deficient dwarfism, the
        drug perhaps restoring much linear growth if administered during adolescence.
        he 1980's brought about
        the first prepared drugs containing Human Growth Hormone. The content
        was taken from a biological origin, the hormone being extracted from
        the pituitary glands of human corpses then prepared as a medical injection.
        This production method was short lived however, since it was linked
        to the spread of a rare and fatal brain disease. Today virtually all
        forms of HGH are synthetically manufactured. The recombinant DNA process
        is very intricate; using transformed e-coli bacterial or mouse cell
        lines to genetically produce the hormone structure. It is highly unlikely
        you will ever cross the old biologically active item on the black market
        (such as Grorm), as all such products should now be discontinued. Here
        in the United States two distinctly structured compounds are being manufactured
        for the pharmaceutical market. The item Humatrope by Eli Lilly Labs
        has the correct 191 amino acid sequence while Genentech's Protropin
        has 192. This extra amino acid slightly increases the chance for developing
        an antibody reaction to the growth hormone. The 191 amino acid configuration
        is therefore considered more reliable, although the difference is not
        great. Protropin is still Anabolics 2002 considered an effective product
        and is prescribed regularly. Outside of the U.S., the vast majority
        of HGH in circulation will be the correct 191 amino acid sequence so
        this distinction is not a great a concern.

        The use of growth hormone
        has been increasing in popularity among athletes, due of course to the
        numerous benefits associated with use. To begin with, GH stimulates
        growth in most body tissues, primarily due to increases in cell number
        rather than size. This includes skeletal muscle tissue, and with the
        exception of eyes and brain all other body organs. The transport of
        amino acids is also increased, as is the rate of protein synthesis.
        All of these effect are actually mediated by IGF-1 (insulin-like growth
        factor), a highly anabolic hormone produced in the liver and other tissues
        in response to growth hormone (peak levels of IGF-1 are noted approximately
        20 hours after HGH administration). Growth hormone itself also stimulated
        triglyceride hydrolysis in adipose tissue, usually producing notable
        fat loss during treatment. GH also increases glucose output in the liver,
        and induces insulin resistance by blocking the activity of this hormone
        in target cells. A shift is seen where fats become a more primary source
        of fuel, further enhancing body fat loss.

        Its growth promoting effect
        also seems to strengthen connective tissues, cartilage and tendons.
        This effect should reduce the susceptibility to injury (due to heavy
        weight training), and increase lifting ability (strength). HGH is also
        a safe drug for the "piss-test". Although its use is banned
        by athletic committees, there is no reliable detection method. This
        makes clear its attraction to (among others) professional bodybuilders,
        strength athletes and Olympic competitors, who are able to use this
        drug straight through a competition. There is talk however that a reliable
        test for the exogenous administration of growth hormone has been developed,
        and is close to being implemented. Until this happens, growth hormone
        will remain a highly sought after drug for the tested athlete.
        But the degree in which
        HGH actually works for an athlete has been the topic of a long running
        debate. Some claim it to be the holy grail of anabolics, capable of
        amazing things. Able to provide incredible muscle growth and unbelievable
        fat loss in a very short period of time. Since it is used primarily
        by serious competitors who can afford such an expensive drug, a great
        body of myth further surrounds HGH discussion (among those personally
        unfamiliar). Many will state with the utmost confidence that the incredible
        mass of the Olympian competitors each year is 100% due to the use of
        HGH. Others have crossed bodybuilding materials claiming it to be a
        complete waste of money, an ineffective anabolic and barely worthwhile
        for fat loss. With its high price tag, certainly an incredibly poor
        buy in the face of steroids. So we have a very wide variety of opinions
        regarding this drug, whom should we believe?
        It is first important
        to understand why there the results obtained from this drug seem to
        vary so much. A logical factor in this regard would seem to be the price
        of this drug. Due to the elaborate manufacturing techniques used to
        produce it, it is extremely costly. Even a moderately dosed cycle could
        cost an athlete between $75-$150 per daily dosage. Most are unable or
        unwilling to spend so much, and instead tinker around with low dosages
        of the drug. Most who have used this item extensively claim it will
        only be effective at higher doses. Poor results would then be expected
        if low amounts were used, or the drug not administered daily. If you
        cannot commit to the full expense of an HGH cycle, you should really
        not be trying to use the drug. The average male athlete
        will usually need a dosage in the range of 5 to 10 I.U. per day to elicit
        the best results. On the low end perhaps 2 to 6 I.U. can be used daily,
        but this is still a considerable expense. Daily dosing is important,
        as HGH has a very short life span in the body. Peak blood concentrations
        are noted quickly (2 to 6 hours) after injection, and the hormone is
        cleared from the body with a half-life of only 20-30 minutes. Clearly
        it does not stick around very long, making stable blood levels difficult
        to maintain. The effects of this drug are also most pronounced when
        it is used for longer periods of time, often many months long. Some
        do use it for shorter periods, but generally only when looking for fat
        loss. For this purpose a cycle of at least four weeks would be used.
        This compound can be administered in both an intramuscular and subcutaneous
        injection. "Sub-Q" injections are particularly noted for producing
        a localized loss of fat, requiring the user to change injection points
        regularly to even out the effect. A general loss of fat seems to be
        the one characteristic most people agree on. It appears that the fat
        burning properties of this drug are more quickly apparent, and less
        dependent on high doses.

        Other drugs also need
        to be used in conjunction with HGH in order to elicit the best results.
        Your body seems to require an increased amount of thyroid hormones,
        insulin and androgens while HGH levels are elevated (HGH therapy in
        fact is shown to lower thyroid and insulin levels). To begin with, the
        addition of thyroid hormones will greatly increase the thermogenic effectiveness
        of a cycle. Taking either Cytomel® or Synthroid® (prescription
        versions of T-3 and T-4) would seem to make the most sense (the more
        powerful Cytomel® is usually preferred). Insulin as well is very
        welcome during a cycle, used most commonly in an anabolic routine as
        described in this book under the insulin heading. Aside from replacing
        lowered insulin levels, use of this hormone is important as it can increase
        receptor sensitivity to IGF-1, and reduce levels of IGF binding protein-1
        allowing for more free circulating IGF-1s° (growth hormone itself
        also lowers IGF binding protein levelss'). Steroids as well prove very
        necessary for the full anabolic effect of GH to become evident. Particularly
        something with a notable androgenic component such as testosterone or
        trenbolone (if worried about estrogen) should be used. The added androgen
        is quite useful, as it promotes anabolism by enhancing muscle cell size
        (remember GH primarily effects cell number). Steroid use may also increase
        free IGF-1 via a lowering of IGF binding proteins8z. The combination
        of all of these (HGH, anabolics, insulin and T-3) proves to be the most
        synergistic combination, providing clearly amplified results. it is
        of course important to note that thyroid and insulin are particularly
        powerful drugs that involve a number of additional risks.
        Release and action of
        GH and IGF-1: GHRH (growth hormone releasing hormone) and SST (somatostatin)
        are released by the hypothalamus to stimulate or inhibit the output
        of GH by the pituitary. GH has direct effects on many tissues, as well
        as indirect effects via the production of IGF-1. IGF-1 also causes negative
        feedback inhibition at the pituitary and hypothalamus. Heightened release
        of somatostatin affects not only the release of GH, but insulin and
        thyroid hormones as well.
        HGH itself does carry
        with it some of its own risks. The most predominantly discussed side
        effect would be acromegaly, or a noticeable thickening of the bones
        (notably the feet, forehead, hands, jaw and elbows). The drug can also
        enlarge vital organs such as the heart and kidney, and has been linked
        to hypoglycemia and diabetes (presumably due to its ability to induce
        insulin resistance). Theoretically, overuse of this hormone can bring
        about a number of conditions, some life threatening. Such problems however
        are extremely rare. Among the many athletes using growth hormone, we
        have very few documented cases of a serious problem developing. When
        used periodically at a moderate dosage, the athlete should have little
        cause for worry. Of course if there are any noticeable changes in bone
        structure, skin texture or normal health and well being during use,
        HGH therapy should be completely halted.
        In summary, the biggest
        mistake we can make with this drug is to get confused by the price tag.
        Even a relatively short cycle of this drug (and ancillaries) will cost
        in the thousand(s), not hundreds of dollars. We cannot jump to the conclusion
        that GH is therefore the most unbelievable anabolic. This hormone is
        simply very complex, and costly to manufacture (though it should be
        getting cheaper). If you were looking to achieve just a great mass gain
        the $3,000 would be better spent on steroids. Growth Hormone will not
        turn you into an overnight "freaky" monster and it is certainly
        not "the answer". Yes, it is a very effective performance
        enhancement tool. But it is more a tool for the competitive athlete
        looking for more than steroids alone can provide. There is little doubt
        that GH contributes considerably to the physiques and performance of
        many top bodybuilders and athletes. In this arena, the money spent on
        it is well justified, the drug obviously necessary. But outside of competitive
        sports it is usually not.
        een dag niet geleefd..... dan ben je dood

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        • #19
          Originally posted by bruce
          en hoe lang heb je het gebruikt? uit je verhaal lijkt het alsof je het niet zo lang hebt gebruikt. begint pas interessant te worden NA 3 maanden. dussuh... kassa
          Dat heb je idd goed heb het 2 maanden gebruikt. Financieel zat er voor mij niet meer in, spul is behoorlijk duur.

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          • #20
            kijk en dat is dus echt zonde van je geld. het is schreeuwend duur en als je het niet op de voorgeschreven manier gebruikt is het geld wegsmijten.
            no offence, maar ik vind dat je dan ook niet echt een 'gebruikersmening' mag geven als iem. om info vraagt. dit omdat het niet relevant is omdat het niet goed is gebruikt. maar missch. ben jezelf nou ook wijzer geworden door dit topic. dan weet je gelijk wrom het niet zo gelukt is. zoals in bovenstaand verhaal staat: als je 3000$ (voor mij hetzelfde als 3000 eu) per jaar aan supps uit wil geven, is gwoon as de beste oplossing. met hgh moet je toch richting minimaal 6000 eu gaan. (niks voor mij dus )
            een dag niet geleefd..... dan ben je dood

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            • #21
              hgh zorgt er idd enkel voor dat je spiercellen vergroten en zo meer van je aas kunt absorberen.
              het is idd een zeer duur middel en je moet het al maanden gebruiken.
              maar de resultaten zijn dan ook verbluffend.
              en het voordeel is,dat je scherp staat en niet opgeblazen zoals de meeste aas.
              maar ja,ieder zijn keus.
              sommigen experimenteren blijkbaar nogal graag.

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