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    The Truth About Powerlifting Squats

    It's all about numbers and less about strength and style.



    Posted on March 15, 2015 by Truth Seeker


    I’ve said it many times: low bar squatting is not really squatting. Those are cheated good mornings. Regardless of the obvious evidence, many people contact me, usually with hate mails, saying that I am a weakling and suggest that I die or something.

    In this post I will present you the truth about low bar squats once more in a more detailed manner. I advise you to think less about me and more about the information that’s right in front of you.


    What the fuck is a low bar squat?

    The low bar is a squat with a barbell positioned on your middle traps and secured by the contracted rear deltoids. The bar is lower on your back and that’s why low bar squatters appear to be at an angle even before they have attempted to squat.


    Why the fuck would anybody do the low bar squat?

    There are three main reasons to ever do a low bar squat.


    1. To lift more weight

    This was the initial reason for the creation of the low bar squat. Powerlifters gave birth to this monster. You see, powerlifting is a sport that back in the day originated from Olympic weightlifting. Weightlifters who were old and/or slow started messing around with the so called odd lifts. At first people were squatting high bar but soon figured out that when they put the bar low on the back it’s easier to squat more weight because the exercise becomes glute dominant, and the range of motion is greatly reduced.

    Powerlifters also squat low bar in order to take the most out of their squat suits which facilitate hip extension. With a squat suit on, it’s easier to have an even more hip dominant squat.

    2. To build a big ass

    If you want your ass to explode into something that barely fits through the door, the best way is to do low bar squats.

    3. To make sure you are DTFP (doing the fucking program) of Mark Rippetoe.




    Over the years I have attempted to communicate many times with Rippetoe, but he is a very stubborn person and always finds a way to justify his ways even when they are wrong. He believes he is teaching some sort of a hybrid squat when in fact he is simply teaching people how to do cheated good mornings. High bar squats are much better for the noobs that go to StartingStrength.com. I have at least 3 accounts on SS.com and every time I was banned when stating the obvious.


    Why the low bar squat is really pathetic?

    The low bar squat is pathetic because it shows how people always sacrifice quality for quantity. They want to lift more on the bar instead of lifting with style. People only care about numbers and that’s it. That’s why powerlifting is becoming as ugly as it gets.


    What is a real squat then?

    A real squat is a high bar Olympic style squat. That’s the true squat and the natural way to do things. Tell a child to squat and the kid will do a high bar right way. The child will just drop down and that’s it. None of that stick your ass out bullshit. The true natural squat is quad/glute dominant exercise.
    The quadriceps and glutes should be the primary movers during a squat. those are the two biggest muscles of the lower body and by doing the low bar you are reducing the knee involvement and shifting most of the work to your ass. Many powerlifters need hip surgeries because the sport is so butt dominant. Both the deadlift and the low bar squat are hip dominant exercises.

    Of course, the hamstring are also involved in the squat, but much less than the quads and the glutes.

    In an ideal powerlifting squat, the shins remain as vertical as possible to the ground and most of the force originates at the hip. Thus, the squat becomes essentially a good morning. A good example would be Layne Norton. Look at how much he bends over and how his hips shoot back. Also, notice how little his knees actually travel forward. His squat is mostly glutes, lower back and hamstrings.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl0RF65VLHQ#t=87

    Another problematic factor with low bar squats is depth. Most powerlifters don’t even reach parallel, but since they are strong not many people have the balls to say that the emperor has no clothes.

    In the video below you see Steve Goggins squat heavy weight. He does not even break parallel because his set-up is quite bad. His stance is too wide and his knees move at the bottom in order for him to go deeper. Quite honestly, that’s a bad squat, but because he is so strong and has been doing it for years he gets away with it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0dye1GQ34k


    I will never be as strong as Goggins, but that does not stop me from saying the obvious. Being strong does not equal proper form. If Goggins was to use the high bar style, he would reach depth and bend over much less.

    Note: I am not trying to teach Goggins how to squat. I am explaining things for the average people reading this post. I am simply using his squat as illustration.

    In the video below you can see a real natural squat with a barbell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7ySniQAR8


    This is the best way to squat with a barbell when it comes to back squats. If you can squat this way, you are building your entire leg evenly while developing mobility. This is the real “athletic squat” and none of the Rippetoe look down bullshit. This is how people were meant to squat with a barbell on their backs.

    Some may find that the high bar is greatly facilitated by weightlifting shoes. The shoes allow you to stay even more upright and can compensate for the lack of ankle, hamstring and spinal mobility.


    Here’s how a perfect squat with Oly shoes looks like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3gkFt8wquw


    Notice that the Oly shoes actually reduce the depth a little bit. The higher the heel of the shoes, the less deep the squat looks. However, that squat is still full range. It’s also worth noting that those guys don’t have a whole army of men around them and a monolift. That’s because they lift “raw” and do real squats. None of those cheated good mornings.

    Still, I advise people who have the mobility to squat without Oly shoes to stick to it. In the end, however, you can do whatever you want, and if squats in Oly shoes feel better overall, that’s what you should do.


    In conclusion

    Most powerlifters don’t squat. They do some form of a good morning and their numbers are greatly amplified. They use monolifts because they cannot walk out the weight. The monolift also allows the usage of ultra wide stance which otherwise would be impossible to assume without your knees giving in. Powerlifters also don’t go all the way down. Breaking parallel is extremely rare these days. Most squats are high even from the front view, and if a squat is high from the front view, it’s even higher from the side. Nobody cares.

    If you take a powerlifter who squats 800 with a monolift, low bar, wide stance, knee wraps, squat suit, does not break parallel and make him do 405 lbs all the way down high bar style, he will get pinned. That’s how “strong” they are.

    Powerlifting was a cool sport back in the day, but it got worse overtime. Like I said, people only care about numbers – they don’t care about style.

    The best squatters in the world are Oly lifters and that’s a fact. Anybody telling you otherwise is a complete liar and moron. Oly lifters squat the deepest and in a much more natural way. Why? Because they don’t benefit from partial low bar squats. The point is to become strong at the bottom while staying as upright as possible so that you can recover from a heavy clean or snatch.

    When it comes to the average weekend warriors, there are two reasons to squat – to develop strong legs and to become stronger overall. The high bar does that a million times better that the low bar. Also, the high bar is less stressful on your shoulder joint and the hips. Of course, it’s more stressful on the knees because you go deeper and there is more knee flexion and extension.

    I know a lot of people will not love this post, but deep down inside even Rippetoe’s followers know it’s all true.

    The high bar and the front squat are the real SQUATs. The low bar is nothing more than a cheated good morning making you look stronger than you actually are. Don’t waste your time with it.
    Last edited by inferno_0666; 25-03-2015, 19:57.
    I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
    - Dave Tate

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    Lekker dan...
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    2014-01 tm 2014-11 niets gedaan. Nieuw doel: STRONGLIFTS afwerken vanaf 10/12/2014.
    14/12/2013 | 5RM: SQ110, BP77,5, BOR87,5, DL130, MP52,5
    25/03/2015 | 5RM: SQ125, BP82,5, BOR77,5, DL140, MP57,5

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Pascal Jongejan View Post
      Lekker dan...
      Bedankt hè...
      Tot uw dienst.
      I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
      - Dave Tate

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      • #4
        Ik vind het een waardeloos artikel. Het enige argument is eigenlijk "They want to lift more on the bar instead of lifting with style." En dat is natuurlijk gewoon een non-argument. Overigens hamert Ome Rip er juist op dat je er geen goodmorning van moet maken en wordt diepte gwn gecheckt op PL-meets. Ik snap de haat niet zo.

        Dat gezegd hebbende: ik vind de high bar van olympic lifters ook mooier.
        Ik doe een gok

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        • #5
          Ik vind dit echt een karig artikel. Hij loopt vooral met modder rond te gooien zonder met daadwerkelijke argumenten voor de dag te komen.
          Lid van de 200 club

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pren View Post
            Ik vind het een waardeloos artikel. Het enige argument is eigenlijk "They want to lift more on the bar instead of lifting with style." En dat is natuurlijk gewoon een non-argument. Overigens hamert Ome Rip er juist op dat je er geen goodmorning van moet maken en wordt diepte gwn gecheckt op PL-meets. Ik snap de haat niet zo.

            Dat gezegd hebbende: ik vind de high bar van olympic lifters ook mooier.

            De schrijver van het artikel bedoelt dus dit soort squats:



            Ik vond het overigens best een vermakelijk artikel.
            I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
            - Dave Tate

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            • #7
              Hij moet ook erg weinig hebben van 5x5 achtige programma`s.

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              • #8
                Hij heeft het niet enkel over die idiote wide stance squats, ook over deze aangezien hij ook aanvalt hoe rippetoe ze onderwijst. Hij kan wel aardig trollen, dat dan weer wel.
                Dit ziet er toch ook behoorlijk atletisch uit, en ik zie weinig oude en niet-atletische gewichtheffers dit even makkelijk klaren.
                Lid van de 200 club

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                • #9
                  Waardeloos artikel man, gast heeft wss een keer z'n kringspier verrekt met low barren. Shit met zulke openingsparagrafen klik ik meestal meteen weg

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                  • #10
                    Filmpje van inferno, dat is gewoon om te huilen ja die squats...

                    Maar het artikel zelf doelt op Low bar in t algemeen, volgens mij hoor ik daar ook tussen shit man nou is mn squat dus ruk...

                    Al geef ik hem nogmaals groot gelijk op die spagaat squats, heb ook nog nooit iemand IRL zo zien swuatten tho
                    "People laugh and call me lazy, while they twit around in their three-hour workout making zero progress. Sometimes, instead of what you do in the weight room, it's what you don't do that will lead to success."

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                    • #11
                      Ik prefereer ook high bar full squats. Ondanks dat is het artikel maar zwak onderbouwd.
                      More knowledge will just increase your potential. For this potential to be manifested, the knowledge must be applied!

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