Why Mike Mentzer Got It All Wrong

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    Why Mike Mentzer Got It All Wrong







    Mike Mentzer was one of the most popular bodybuilders during the golden era of the sport. He was famous for his thick physique and constant fights with Arnold. Mike Mentzer is also the person who made High Intensity Training (H.I.T.) protocols famous through his Heavy Duty books although the main principles were originally started by the creator of the training equipment Nautilus - Arthur Jones.

    While there are some good ideas behind H.I.T. it usually fails miserably when followed as prescribed by Mentzer unless you are introducing heavy anabolics to your system on regular basis. Why?

    First, the main principle behind H.I.T. is that you should perform just one working set to complete muscle failure on a few exercises and call it a day. This blows if you are natural bodybuilder because one set even taken beyond failure is simply not hard enough on the body to cause growth while being extremely stressful on the mind and Central Nervous System (CNS). Everybody who has ever trained the H.I.T. way knows the feeling before starting a set - your mind is troubled and already crushed because you cannot stop a single rep before failure. This gets brutally hard as time goes by...

    While science had advanced tremendously people still argue to this day what causes muscular hypertrophy. I don't have a definitive answer to that either but less work sure as hell does not cause more hypertrophy unless you are on hormones or dreaming. The body always responds to stimulus and the more the better as long as you can recover for your next training session. This brings me to the next idea presented by the H.I.T. bro scientists - you should train once every 7-10 days. This is quite wrong and I advise you to try the following example - train one day and for the next 10 days do not train at all. You will be sore. On the 11th day repeat your workout. You will be sore again. After 10 more days repeat again - you will be sore. Why? Because your adaptation to training is slowly fading away during those 10 days of rest.

    The fact that you are sore after every workout means one thing - your body has more than enough time to recover and the adaptation process is interrupted by the extra rest days.

    In other words your body is slowly going out of "beast mode" into "weaker mode."

    Try playing a piano song every day for 10 weeks - you will get better at playing it. Now play it once every 10 days - you will barely maintain your skill level. Even professional musicians need to practice when working on a song which is not part of their usual repertoire.

    Now try training each body part twice a week or every 5-6 days. Most likely you will not be sore after your workouts except for the first week. Why? Because of adaptation. When training more often and with more volume the body adapts and recovers faster.

    Another problem with high intensity is training to failure which is simply not practical on exercises like bench press, squat, deadlift, good mornings...etc. Why? Because if you go to complete failure when doing deadlifts for example you are only risking injury while accomplishing nothing more that a simple tight set of 6-7 reps with good from gives you in terms of muscle gains. That's the reason why you see so many wannabes doing H.I.T. workouts using machines - there is less risk and you can go really slow and feel the burn. How many gyms have all that unnecessary equipment? And who likes to train like a 90 y.o. grandpa using mainly machines?


    If you read Heavy Duty 2 (Mike Mentzer's version of H.I.T.), there's a routine called The Consolidation Routine, which consists of the following:

    Workout A
    One set Squats
    One set Close-grip, Palms-Up Pulldowns
    rest 5-7 days

    Workout B
    One set Regular Deadlifts
    One set Dips
    rest 5-7 days



    Repeat



    I am sorry to bring it to you but this routine is only good for maintaining some muscle mass and will not build strength nor size due to the extremely small amount of weight (overall tonnage) lifted despite the "high intensity". Mentzer himself has never used similar routines and many people have said that he never actually trained the way he preached to others. But even if he did he was also known to use high doses of steroids - Casey Viator said in a interview that Mentzer was taking up to 2.5 grams of deca on weekly basis.

    I still believe that some of the ideas behind high intensity training such as pre-exhaustion, more rest....etc are really good but natural bodybuilders simply need to do more work and cannot afford to rely on synthetic hormones.


    P.S. Arnold's way of training was rightfully criticized by Mentzer but his alternative was extreme.

    bron: IronGagsta - The Truth Will Set Us Free: Why Mike Mentzer Got It All Wrong
    I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
    - Dave Tate

  • #2
    Mijn persoonlijke ervaring met HIT (of de wijze waarop ik het doe) is anders dan wat deze criticus beweert. En nee, ik gebruik geen a.s.
    Vergeet niet je lachspieren te trainen.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by niet_hier View Post
      Mijn persoonlijke ervaring met HIT (of de wijze waarop ik het doe) is anders dan wat deze criticus beweert. En nee, ik gebruik geen a.s.
      Hoe doe jij het dan? Het is bekend dat Mentzer het zelf ook niet deed zoals hij het zelf voorschreef. Als je het volgens het boek doet dan lijkt het me sterk dat je flink progressie zult maken. Het is allemaal allang achterhaald.
      I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
      - Dave Tate

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      • #4
        Er is een zesdelige videoserie van Dorian Yates waarin hij Mike volgt in de zin van 1 opwarmset plus 1 werkset (tot failure) per oefening. Echter, hij past deze techniek toe op meer oefeningen en niet op de vier oefeningen (workout A en B) die Mike voorschrijft.
        Hier: Bodybuilding.com - Dorian Yates' Blood & Guts 6 Week Trainer
        Hier heb ik naar gekeken en wat van afgekeken. Ik doe een normale UB/LB verdeling, echter pas dezelfde methode toe in de zin van 1 opwarmset (soms 2), gevolgd door 1 werkset. Ik doe de werkset tot failure, behalve bij die oefeningen waarbij failure tot ongelukken zou kunnen leiden.
        Ik moet erbij vertellen dat ik alleen in het weekend kan trainen en dus automatisch een (gedwongen) lange rustpauze tussen m'n trainingen heb. Voorheen deed ik "normale" UB/LB trainingen in het weekend met drie werksetjes per oefening. Dat deed niet veel voor me. Nu ik deze methode toepas, die een veel hogere intensiteit heeft, maak ik weer vooruitgang.
        Last edited by niet_hier; 01-08-2013, 13:23.
        Vergeet niet je lachspieren te trainen.

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        • #5
          Is die vooruitgang meetbaar? Bijvoorbeeld met bankdrukken 10kg bij ke 5rm of 15kg bij het squatten of 2, 5kg vvm erbij?
          I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
          - Dave Tate

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          • #6
            De vooruitgang is zeer zeker herkenbaar in m'n log met betrekking tot de gewichten die ik hanteer. Ik schrijf niet alle getalletjes hier bij Bodynet, maar heb wel papieren waar precies op staat welke gewichten ik heb gebruikt en hoeveel reps ik kon doen. Ik heb vooruitgang geboekt op alle oefeningen die ik doe. Echter, de laatste tijd ben ik vastgelopen bij DB curl en triceps extension. Misschien dat deze aanpak minder geschikt is voor m'n armen.
            Het effect is moeilijk in vvm uit te drukken: m'n gewicht is wel een paar kg toegenomen maar dat is voor een deel lichaamsvet. Dat maakt het moeilijk voor me om een claim op te schrijven a la "ik ben xx kg vvm gegroeid" want dat kan ik niet bewijzen. En ik ben vergeten om een meetlint te hanteren om m'n maten op te nemen. Desondanks heb ik het idee dat sommige spieren groter zijn geworden omdat m'n kleren anders passen.
            Beide aspecten, toename in de gewichten die ik hanteer en kleren die anders passen, was niet het geval in de periode voorafgaande aan het moment dat ik met de huidige trainingsaanpak begon.
            Vergeet niet je lachspieren te trainen.

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