Beste fatburner?

[Myobolix]

combi test/tren/win met t3 en clen/eca met als basis een eiwitrijk koolhydraat/vetarm dieet en dagelijkse cardio op nuchtere maag

punt uit

je kan extremer gaan met dnp en inslin

[harold]

Citaat[/b] (harold @ Dec. 11 2003,20:41)]In combinatie met a.s. werken a.s. nog beter schijnt.

Grtz..

a.s in combinatie met t3 natuurlijk

[harold]

Citaat[/b] (Myobolix @ Dec. 21 2003,15:24)]combi test/tren/win met t3 en clen/eca met als basis een eiwitrijk koolhydraat/vetarm dieet en dagelijkse cardio op nuchtere maag

punt uit

je kan extremer gaan met dnp en inslin

Dnp?

Grtz..

[red]

Citaat[/b] (harold @ Dec. 21 2003,21:11)]

Citaat[/b] (Myobolix @ Dec. 21 2003,15:24)]combi test/tren/win met t3 en clen/eca met als basis een eiwitrijk koolhydraat/vetarm dieet en dagelijkse cardio op nuchtere maag

punt uit

je kan extremer gaan met dnp en inslin

Dnp?

Grtz..

Daar heb ik wel eens een stuk over gelezen op ergogenics... blijf liever nog ff leven

http://www.ergogenics.org/dnp.html

[Curiosio]

Citaat[/b] (harold @ Dec. 21 2003,21:11)]

Citaat[/b] (Myobolix @ Dec. 21 2003,15:24)]combi test/tren/win met t3 en clen/eca met als basis een eiwitrijk koolhydraat/vetarm dieet en dagelijkse cardio op nuchtere maag

punt uit

je kan extremer gaan met dnp en inslin

Dnp?

Grtz..

DNP

Greets...

[Curiosio]

Je was een paar seconden eerder Red.

Greets...

[red]

[JWL]

Gegroet allen.

Wat mij opvalt als ik op dit board soortgelijke topics lees, is dat de meerderheid enkel is geinteresseerd in korte termijn resultaten, althans zo lijkt het.

Wat is de beste fatburner?

Definieer 'beste'. Is dat de snelste? Of is het dat ene middel dat er het diepste inhakt? Het goedkoopste? Het gezondste?

Naar aanleiding van dit onderwerp wil ik graag een stuk over fat-loss delen. Het stuk is geschreven door Tom Venuto, een natural bodybuilder met 4% bf. Hij heeft het verkregen op een natuurlijke manier en heeft het (ongeveer) ook behouden.

Ik ben benieuwd wat de rest hierover denkt.

Fat Loss Success Series Part 1:

EVERYONE who wants to get leaner should read this article. Yes, I know it says "Fat loss for beginners," but sometimes we veterans forget what we once knew or we don't practice what we now know. If you're a beginner, this will be an introduction. If you're experienced, let this be a reminder.

1. JUST GET STARTED - TAKE DECISIVE ACTION!
There are so many opinions about how to lose body fat that many people end up completely confused and they don't do ANYTHING! They've read about 27 ways to diet, 34 ways to do cardio, 101 ways to lift weights and 79 supplements to take. But they still don't have a clue how to start.

You stuff your brain with so much information it feels like it's going to explode, but then you never do anything about it. You're like a deer stuck in headlights. Sound familiar?
I call this the "paralysis by analysis" syndrome.

Actually, losing fat is not that complicated. You don't need a PhD in exercise physiology to figure out that any exercise is better than no exercise. You don't have to be a genius in nutritional biochemistry to figure out that an apple is better than a pop tart. Getting lean is simple: Exercise. Eat healthier foods. Eat smaller portions. Isn't this stuff just common sense? Didn't your mother tell you this?

So what's stopping you? What makes you freeze up?
If you're like most people, FEAR is stopping you. You're so afraid of doing something wrong, you choose to do nothing rather than make a mistake or look foolish.

What you must understand is that people who accomplish much and people who accomplish little BOTH have fears. The difference between the two is that the latter feels the fear and lets it immobilize them. The former feels the fear and does it anyway.

Begin the process. You can always fine-tune your program as you go. Naturally, it's better to aim and then fire, but its better to fire and then adjust your aim later than not to fire at all. You can't win a battle by hiding in the trenches.

2. WALKING IS A GREAT WAY FOR A BEGINNER TO START A CARDIO PROGRAM

Ok, so you've decided to forge ahead in spite of your fear and start working out. Congratulations. Now what? How do you choose between Stairmaster, Lifecycle, Yoga, Kickboxing, Elliptical machine, jogging, swimming, etc.?

Any exercise is better than no exercise so stop over-analyzing: just pick something and start. Just do it.
If you can't make up your mind, then here's the simplest, easiest, most guaranteed way for any beginner to successfully start a fat loss program:
Walk!

Here's why:
• It requires no equipment
• It requires no knowledge of exercise technique
• It can be done by almost everyone, regardless of experience
• It can be done almost anywhere
• It's safe

For all these reasons, walking is the perfect way to begin. However, the better your condition becomes, the more you'll need to advance to higher levels of exercise intensity to reach higher levels of fitness.

I'm not saying you have to abandon walking, but if you decide to keep walking, a casual stroll will no longer do. For an experienced exerciser, I would consider walking a method of locomotion more than a serious workout.

There's a big difference between walking for health vs. walking for fat loss. Even a 10 or 15-minute casual walk has health benefits. But if you want to turn walking into an effective, fat-melting workout, you'll need to push yourself for 30 minutes or more several days per week. Walking briskly uphill (or on an inclined treadmill) is an excellent fat-burning workout for anyone.

3. DON'T GET CAUGHT UP IN MINUTIA - FOCUS ON FUNDAMENTALS FIRST

Read any book about success and it will tell you "pay attention to detail." Sounds like good advice - unless you haven't mastered the fundamentals yet. In that case, it's the worst advice you could follow.

Every day people send me questions like these:
"Should I use a fast acting protein powder like whey or would casein be better? What if I mix both and also add a little bit of Soy? If I use all of them, what ratio of the three would be ideal and when should I take them?"

"I want to do the ephedrine-caffeine stack and it says to take 20 mg of ephedrine with 200 milligrams of caffeine. The ephedrine comes in 25 milligram tablets, so should I chip a little bit off the tablet to get the right ratio?"
Do you see the problem here?

These are legitimate questions, but they're completely moot if you're eating doughnuts and sitting on the couch all day long. Fix your diet and get your butt moving first, then worry about the little things.

Emerson said, "The height of the pinnacle is determined by the breadth of the base." The heights you reach will depend entirely on how broad a foundation you build. Great coaches such as Vince Lombardi and John Wooden credited most of their success to drilling their players on fundamentals.
Forget about ALL the minutia until you have the fundamentals down cold!

Forget about supplement dosages
Forget about macronutrient cycling
Forget about tempo manipulation
Forget about glycemic indexes
Forget about the latest Bulgarian or Russian periodization program

Master the fundamentals first!

The fundamentals of fat loss include: (1) Do your cardio, (2) Lift weights, (3) Burn more calories than you consume (4) Eat 5-6 small, frequent meals and never skip meals, (5) Keep your fat intake low, but include small amounts of good fats, (6) Eat natural foods; avoid processed & refined foods, (7) eat more natural complex carbs, fruits & vegetables, (8) eat lean proteins with each meal, (9) Think positive: visualize yourself as you would like to be.

Fat Loss For Intermediates

If you've been training for at least three months and now you're ready to kick it into high gear and start learning more about training and nutrition so you can get better and faster results, then this article is for you.

If you're currently not working out at all and you'd like to know the best way to get started, refer back to part one in this series: Fat loss for Beginners - 8 tips to get started.
If you've been training for years and consider yourself "advanced," then the third installment in this series will be for you. But don't skip this one - you might learn something new you missed along the way.

THE SECRET TO INCREASED FAT LOSS IS...

Ok, so you just got started on a program of walking or light cardio and some basic lifting, maybe some dumbbell work - nothing fancy. You feel better, you've lost a few pounds, you have more energy and you're confident that you're getting healthier.

But you want more.

You want the results to come faster. You want to look in the mirror and really SEE the difference. You want other people to see the difference too.

You want more than "a little tone." Maybe you want a nice hard chiseled six-pack with a small waist, or maybe streamlined, muscular thighs. Arms like Madonna perhaps? Shoulders like Carl "Apollo Creed" Weathers? A Brad Pitt "Fight Club" body maybe? Nothing too crazy - not a miss fitness Olympia body or the massive bulk of a Mr. Universe- but definitely better than average.

Well, if you're prepared to STEP UP to the next level and pay the price necessary to reach the next rung on the ladder, here's how you do it:

The answer is very, very simple. As you leave the novice stage behind, it's time to start WORKING HARDER. That's it.
Were you expecting something more esoteric? Some secret Bulgarian periodization program and thermogenic - anabolic supplement stack? Sorry, but the secret is that there is no secret. A great body all boils down to outright effort and hard work.

Not counting the genetic freaks who seem to have been born with muscles and zero fat, there's one thing that all people with great bodies have in common: they all work HARD, HARD, HARD, HARD, HARD!

If you want to ascend beyond the lowly beginner level you simply have to push yourself harder. And that means DIS-COMFORT. When you're pushing yourself out of the comfort zone, it hurts. Frankly, sometimes it sucks! But outside the comfort zone is where you grow. Staying inside the comfort zone will only maintain you at best but usually it sends you plummeting into a downward spiral.

Most people retreat into the confines of their comfort zone the second the effort gets difficult. The comfort zone is a very dangerous place because if you slide back into the comfort zone even once, then it starts becoming a habit.
First, it's stopping just a few minutes short on your cardio or coasting on level 5 when you could be doing level 7. You stop at 8 reps, when you had 11 in you. Then you start blowing off workouts completely. Pretty soon, you're sliding back in other areas of your life; you slide back from making those sales calls; you slide back from spending quality time with your family, you slide back from saving money and watching your finances. You become.... A BACKSLIDER!

You can either be a backslider or you can be an ACHIEVER but you can't be both and you can't "hang out" in between - it's one or the other. Although you might think you're safe just "maintaining" in the comfort zone, unbeknownst to you, you are always in motion in either a forward or a backward direction. There's no such thing as standing still; ask any physicist - everything in the universe is always in motion...vibrating... growing or dying.

The ACHIEVER is the person who is aware that to "stand still inside the comfort zone" is akin to dying, so he or she is ALWAYS MOVING FORWARD. The only way to move forward is with hard work and effort in the direction of a specific goal.
AVOID THE TEMPTATION TO SPEND (WASTE) YOUR MONEY ON GIMMICKS...AND LEARN TO RECOGNIZE A GIMMICK WHEN YOU SEE ONE

Once you begin getting a taste of what real hard training is like, it often becomes tempting to succumb to the error of looking for the "easy way." An electrode on your abs, a "fat-melting" cream, a pill, a drink mix, a drug - anything and everything except sweat and hard work. But shortcuts will always fail you in the long run.

You are setting yourself up for so much trouble if you give in to the lure of the quick fix. You see, it's all about the Law of Sowing and Reaping. This great law of life states that your rewards will come back to you in direct proportion to what you put in. Everything has its price and that price must be paid in advance.

If you were a farmer, how ridiculous would it be for you to skip the planting of the seeds in the spring and then go out in the fields looking for a harvest in the fall? How ridiculous would it be to stand in front of a wood burning stove and say, Ok stove, give me some heat and then I'll put in some wood?

But isn't it the same thing when you take a pill or attach some electrodes to your stomach, or smear some cream on your thighs and expect to lose the flab without exercise or eating right?

Even if you've made the decision to avoid gimmicks, in today's marketplace, how do you know what's a gimmick and what's legit? After all, these marketing people are smart - they know how to play on your emotions and make gimmicks sound scientific. Don't feel bad; judging by the e-mails I get every day, most other people don't know the difference either. Nearly all of these e-mails include this sentence:
Does "IT" work?

Here's how to tell if "IT" is a gimmick or not: If it makes getting in phenomenal shape sound easy and effortless, then it's a gimmick. If it addresses the symptom but not the cause - it's a gimmick. If your gut feeling says it sounds too good to be true - it's a gimmick. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's a duck!
Do yourself a favor and stop looking for a quick ride to the top. The elevator to success is out of order - you're going to have to take the stairs.

Advanced Fat Loss

In this, the grand finale of the three part “Fat Loss Success Series,” you will learn some of the most hyper-effective fat burning tactics I’ve discovered from nearly 20 years in the bodybuilding game. These are the same techniques I use to hit 3-4% body fat for competition, year after year without difficulty. If you’ve already got all the basics from parts one and two covered and you want to incinerate every last vestige of unwanted body fat, then this article is for you.

1. DO CARDIO DAILY
If you progressively increase your cardio, as needed, up to as much as 30-45 minutes a day 6-7 days per week for 8-12 weeks, you'll get so lean, you'll kick yourself for not realizing it was that simple.

Every time I give this advice, I always hear lots of whining and complaining. Why is everybody so cardio-phobic? Why do people keep fighting me on this when they've tried "everything" else and they still can't get as lean as they want to be?
• "But Tom, Bill Phillips says 20 minutes 3 days a week is the solution!"
• "But Tom, doesn't daily cardio burn up muscle?"
• "But Tom, doesn't weight training boost the metabolism more than aerobics?"
• “But Tom, long aerobic cardio is out… anaerobic and HIIT cardio is in.”

People have plenty of buts. The irony is, they spout off all these buts, and at the same time, they’re stuck and can’t figure out why they’re not losing those last few pockets of seriously annoying body fat. If you want to get really lean - get off your "buts" and do what it takes to get the job done, not what the trend of the month dictates.

Let me ask you a question: When you read articles or courses by the world’s best bodybuilders and fitness models, what is the common denominator you see in nearly 100% of their pre contest preparation programs? Yep - daily cardio for 30 –45 minutes!

If you want to know WHY frequent cardio burns more fat, go back and re-read part two in this series about the mathematics of calorie expenditure.

By the way, daily cardio is NOT something you do all the time – this is a strategy you progressively build up to and use for short periods in order to hit a peak, break plateaus and shed the last of the stubborn fat. Doing daily cardio year round leads to aerobic adaptation. Cardio must be cycled, just like all other factors related to fat loss. You increase cardio during periods when fat loss is desired, and reduce cardio during periods when maintenance is desired.

By the way, “no time” is not a valid excuse. I know many people who get up at 4 or 5 in the morning to work out because it's the only way they can fit it in their schedule. It's never an issue of TIME, it's always an issue of WILLINGNESS. Are you willing to do what it takes for YOU? That's only real question you have to answer.

2. DO YOUR CARDIO FIRST THING IN THE MORNING ON AN EMPTY STOMACH

Morning cardio is still controversial in academic circles, but as far as I'm concerned it's a closed case and the verdict is in: It works! But don't take my word for it - examine the facts, try it and decide for yourself. The argument in favor of fasted early morning cardio goes something like this:
1. After an overnight 8-12 hour fast, your body's stores of glycogen are depleted and you burn more fat when glycogen is low.
2. Eating causes a release of insulin. Insulin interferes with the mobilization of body fat. Less insulin is present in the morning; so more body fat is burned when cardio is done in the morning.
3. There is less carbohydrate (glucose) in the bloodstream when you wake up after an overnight fast. With less glucose available, you burn more fat.
4. If you eat immediately before a workout, you have to burn off what you just ate first before tapping into stored body fat (and insulin is elevated after a meal.)
5. When you do cardio in the morning, your metabolism stays elevated for a period of time after the workout is over. If you do cardio in the evening, you burn calories during the session, but you fail to take advantage of the "afterburn" effect because your metabolic rate drops dramatically as soon as you go to sleep.

3. REDUCE YOUR CARBS, BUT DON'T CUT THEM ALL OUT AND DON'T STAY ON LOW CARBS TOO LONG

I'm not a big fan of very low carb diets (VLCD) or "ketogenic" diets. They make you feel like crap, you get "brain fog," you lose muscle along with the fat, and your training intensity suffers from lack of muscle glycogen (even on a "cyclical" ketogenic diet.)

The worst side effect of the VLCD is one that few people think of because it requires a long-term perspective (and most people are caught up in short term results):
For the average non-competitor, it's VERY difficult to permanently keep the fat off if it’s lost through VLCD’s. VLCD's set you up for a BIG rebound.

Bodybuilders often use VLCD's successfully before contests, but bodybuilders are extreme athletes with incredible discipline and willpower. I know bodybuilders who are so "hard core" that they can eat nothing but tuna fish out of the can for 12 weeks, then go back to a normal, balanced diet - no problem - no bingeing. That's a rare feat.

Lots of people lose weight on very low carb diets. Few keep it off. I've seen people go on massive, uncontrollable binges of doughnuts, pizza and Ben & Jerry's (Chunky Monkey&#33, gaining 30 pounds in less than seven days after coming off a very low carb diet.

Folks, very low carb diets ain't the long term solution to fat loss. To use one successfully without gaining everything back, you have to know what you're doing and you must be extremely disciplined. Even then, you should consider low carb diets as "last chance" diets or short term "peaking" diets that are fraught with side effects and disadvantages.
The "balanced" diet, which contains a wide variety of foods including about 40-50% of the calories from vegetables, fruit, natural starches and 100% whole grains, is almost always the best way to permanently lose fat and it's the way almost everyone should start. This is sometimes referred to as a "baseline diet." All you have to do is exercise, pick the right types of foods and eat less than you burn each day and you'll lose fat.

Once you've mastered the basics and you've reached the advanced stage, THEN I have to admit, despite the potential pitfalls, low carb, high protein diets can help accelerate fat loss.

Het is wel een stukje tekst maar ik denk dat zowel beginners als gevorderden hier iets aan hebben.

Dat wou ik maar even kwijt.

Groeten,

JW

[red]

Je hebt helemaal gelijk maar als je de rest ook had gelezen zag je ook dat ik al 45 min cardio doe elke dag en ook op mn eten let dus wil ik iets hebben dat het iets versnelt zodat ik sneller op het juiste gewicht kom

[Shannasse]

Heel goed stuk JW!

En weer even iedereen die dit leest met z'n voetjes op de grond, kan vast geen kwaad...

[Adonis]

zeker zeer goed stukje, duurde wel ff voordat ik het helemaal door heb, maar het was het zeker waard! Elke ochtend alleen 50 minuten eerder opstaan om te gaan cardioen is iets wat ik me nog aan moet gaan leren ben het wel van plan uiteraard

[Triple X]

Ik wil het ook vaak doen maar dan ga die wekker om kwart over vier en dan denk ik bekijkhet maar blijf lekker liggen tot 5 uur want bedje uit komen is toch 1 van de moeilijkste dingen

[Adonis]

Ik ben gemotiveerd en zoals ik nu denk weet ik dat het me gaat lukken, maar dat dacht ik bij school ook vaak.... haha. (niet dat ik het niet gehaald heb, maar word wel stukken minder)

[JWL]

ik denk dat ik me hierbij aansluit...

als ik de uren die ik de afgelopen jaren getraind heb, had gestudeerd dan was ik nu zeker professor geweest...

Groeten,

JW

[Ferry]

Ik gebruik Stackers 4 (De sterkste),De meningen zijn verdeeld over dit middel,maatje van me heeft het ook gebruikt en kreeg last van hart kloppingen en bibbers(Leek wel colt turkey )
Maar ik heb nergens geen last van en ze helpen prima raak zo'n 2 en halve kilo kwijt in 2 weken.