Ephidrine legal or not?

[inferno_0666]

Buddy, I can easily have a good night-sleep and still drink 10 cups of coffee. Can you maybe provide us with some evidence that a stack of ECA doesn't work, doesn't give the desired effect or not even works synergetic when consuming 10 cups of coffee?

If the man regularly drinks 10 cups of coffee during a single day then it is safe to conclude that he has built up a tolerance to caffeine. This is common with stimulants, which is why people should cycle them. Resistance to caffeine means that the thermogenesis- and fat burning effects that it promotes are diminished.

Next up, the paper looked at the impact of caffeine on thermogenesis (calorie burning) and lipolysis (fat mobilization). It comments that a habitual caffeine of 600 mg/day (~6 strong cups of coffee) could lead to an extra caloric expenditure of 100 cal/day (equivalent to walking about 1 mile for a 150 lb person). This effect also occurs with ground and instant coffee, but not decaf so the effect is probably mediated via the caffeine itself. Do note that the body can develop tolerance to these effects so any effect might not be very long lasting.

source: Coffee, Diabetes and Weight Control | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

Also, the widely recommended ratio in an ECA stack should be in the proportionate of ephedrine 25mg, caffeine 200mg and aspirin 100mg. I could be off a little bit, but not by much. If you add a large volume of coffee to the mix, it would throw off the ratio considerably.

[Mattblack]

Thanks guys. I will write-up my diet / workout regime after work.

FYI don't regularly drink 10 cups of coffee... i was exagerating a little to make a point that I feel nothing from coffee.

I drink maybe 2 cups of coffee per day and 2 cups of tea. When I'm at work I drink more coffee but never more than 3 cups in a day.

But it does nothing for me, I just like the taste

Cheers
Matt

[marnop]

edit: excuse me, I posted a reply without looking at a next post.
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[marnop]

Also, the widely recommended ratio in an ECA stack should be in the proportionate of ephedrine 25mg, caffeine 200mg and aspirin 100mg. I could be off a little bit, but not by much. If you add a large volume of coffee to the mix, it would throw off the ratio considerably.

In the good old herbal ECA stacks;
the amounts of ingrediënts are strongly depending on the extracts in percentage and the quality of ingrediënts.

here's a part of a recipe:

extr ma huang 8% 100mg (efedra)
extr guarana 22% 150mg (caffeïn)
extr salix alba 25% 50mg (aspirin)

This was a heavy stack, 2 caps after noon keeps you awake for hours and hours (and I drank about 1,5 up to 2 liters of coffee a day......and fell asleep on the couch, way before bedtime)

[Ellie]

Welcome to the forum Matt I'm also curious about your diet and exercise. Have you ever done special diets like carb-cycling or the paleo diet? Even for more advanced athletes there are fat loss solutions that use nothing else but good food and exercise.

BTW: if you have trouble with cardio, try cardio before breakfast. That was one of the best advices I got on this forum: it gives you a great start of your day. I have an exercise bike at home and I often use it just after waking up to start my day feeling fit and refreshed. Cardio before breakfast consists of short (30-45 mins) and moderately intense sessions. It boosts your energy and your metabolism.

[Mattblack]

Ok here goes. I’m currently trying to cut a load of fat before I start bulking again...

Diet...
Breakfast: Large bowl of Fruit n Fibre cereal mixed with Muesli using 0% fat milk. Protein shake.
Brunch (to be American about it lol): Banana
Lunch: Salad mix (tomato, lettuce, onion, half a carrot, half an apple, red beet, yoghurt, cottage cheese and maybe a splash of dressing) plus 3 slices of ham and 3 slices of chicken.
Afternoon (Dunch in American? Haha): Fruit Yoghurt, maybe a couple of cracker-bread slices with margarine / 20+ Kaas on.
Dinner: Larger salad (same as I made at lunch, just more of it) plus a piece of fish/chicken/tuna. Some days I have a microwave-tub of brown rice (233 calories) also if I’m really hungry and need some carbs. Plus a protein shake.
Evening: Another bowl of Fruit n Fibre with 0% fat milk.

Drinks during the day: Mostly water (with light, 6 calorie, juice added), a couple of cups of coffee and tea if I’m in the office.

Exercise at the moment (trimming)...
Mon-Fri: 30-60 minutes on the cross-trainer. I try to do everyday unless I really don’t have time (I have 2 jobs). Usually 4-5 days a week. 2-3 days I will lift some weights before doing the cardio (not my max strength, just to kick start my muscles)
Weekend: Go to see the girlfriend in Belgium so have other exercise ;-) I don’t have access to any facilities at the weekend now (since 2 months ago, new girlfriend) so it’s mostly a chill-out period for me now in Belgium.

My stats...
Age: 26 – almost 27 :-(
Weight: 86.2kg this morning (I was 103kg of fat before I started training 2 years ago).
Height: 6’ 2” (184cm??)
Work: Office job, IT Consultant.

I’m of an average size. Nothing special. I used to be very chubby though and I worked very hard to get my weight down (almost 20kg loss!). But I’m struggling with the last bit of fat which is still noticeable and I want rid of it. I know my diet is good because I lost a lot of weight previously. Though my diet has been changed around a lot to keep my tastes fresh.

But now – instead of losing weight, I just have no energy, no motivation, etc. I’ve stagnated, stopped dropping weight, and I find it REALLY hard to do a full hour on the cross trainer now. I try to though.

Hope this is good enough. Fire away with any questions you have.

Thanks once again
Matt

[Mattblack]

Hi Ellie,

Thanks for the welcome. I've not tried any special diets, just taking advice from websites.

I tried cardio once in the morning and was sick. It was horrible and I'll never do it again

I have a full gym kit at home (cross trainer, full weights kit / multi-gym etc) and I prefer to use it in the evening before a nice relaxing hot bath to relax my muscles.

I don't use a public gym anymore because I just never went to the one I was paying for.

Cheers!

[Toph]

If you mix coffee with alcohol, then ofcourse you'll fall asleep

(just kidding ofc, for those who think I'm not)

[Snuff-Sann]

If the man regularly drinks 10 cups of coffee during a single day then it is safe to conclude that he has built up a tolerance to caffeine. This is common with stimulants, which is why people should cycle them. Resistance to caffeine means that the thermogenesis- and fat burning effects that it promotes are diminished.

It all depends on how somebody reacts!

Also, the widely recommended ratio in an ECA stack should be in the proportionate of ephedrine 25mg, caffeine 200mg and aspirin 100mg. I could be off a little bit, but not by much. If you add a large volume of coffee to the mix, it would throw off the ratio considerably.

Is not true! You can easily add some more caffein, ephedrin or aspirin if you want to and still have all benefits from the stack!

Mate, read very carefully:

Do note that the body can develop tolerance to these effects so any effect might not be very long lasting.

It doesn't say:

Do note that the body will develop tolerance to these effects so any effect will not be very long lasting.

Such an enormous big difference!

[Snuff-Sann]

If you mix coffee with alcohol, then ofcourse you'll fall asleep

(just kidding ofc, for those who think I'm not)

Very useful contribution to this topic!

[dynobet]

Ok here goes. I’m currently trying to cut a load of fat before I start bulking again...

Diet...
Breakfast: Large bowl of Fruit n Fibre cereal mixed with Muesli using 0% fat milk. Protein shake.
Brunch (to be American about it lol): Banana
Lunch: Salad mix (tomato, lettuce, onion, half a carrot, half an apple, red beet, yoghurt, cottage cheese and maybe a splash of dressing) plus 3 slices of ham and 3 slices of chicken.
Afternoon (Dunch in American? Haha): Fruit Yoghurt, maybe a couple of cracker-bread slices with margarine / 20+ Kaas on.
Dinner: Larger salad (same as I made at lunch, just more of it) plus a piece of fish/chicken/tuna. Some days I have a microwave-tub of brown rice (233 calories) also if I’m really hungry and need some carbs. Plus a protein shake.
Evening: Another bowl of Fruit n Fibre with 0% fat milk.

Drinks during the day: Mostly water (with light, 6 calorie, juice added), a couple of cups of coffee and tea if I’m in the office.

Exercise at the moment (trimming)...
Mon-Fri: 30-60 minutes on the cross-trainer. I try to do everyday unless I really don’t have time (I have 2 jobs). Usually 4-5 days a week. 2-3 days I will lift some weights before doing the cardio (not my max strength, just to kick start my muscles)
Weekend: Go to see the girlfriend in Belgium so have other exercise ;-) I don’t have access to any facilities at the weekend now (since 2 months ago, new girlfriend) so it’s mostly a chill-out period for me now in Belgium.

My stats...
Age: 26 – almost 27 :-(
Weight: 86.2kg this morning (I was 103kg of fat before I started training 2 years ago).
Height: 6’ 2” (184cm??)
Work: Office job, IT Consultant.

I’m of an average size. Nothing special. I used to be very chubby though and I worked very hard to get my weight down (almost 20kg loss!). But I’m struggling with the last bit of fat which is still noticeable and I want rid of it. I know my diet is good because I lost a lot of weight previously. Though my diet has been changed around a lot to keep my tastes fresh.

But now – instead of losing weight, I just have no energy, no motivation, etc. I’ve stagnated, stopped dropping weight, and I find it REALLY hard to do a full hour on the cross trainer now. I try to though.

Hope this is good enough. Fire away with any questions you have.

Thanks once again
Matt

Ur diet/nutrition is quite terrible. Yes, you have lost weight with it. But basicly any diet wich reduces calories will make u lose weight. So just because u lost weight with any kind of diet, doesnt mean the diet is good.

Ive weighted 115 kg and was verry fat myself. In one and a half year I weighted 85 kilo with a bodyfat% of 7-8. When I started dieting, ANYTHING that reduced calories helped.

After a while, when u get leaner. U have to get ur nutrition and training straight, to keep seeing results.

maybe it would be a good start for u to write down, how much grams of ea product u eat. U can write the calories, and the grams of proteine, carbohydrates and fats of ea protduct down.

how many calories are these products in the ammounts u eat? how many calkories, proteine, carbohydrates and fats do u consume on daily basis?

I can already say u dont get enough essential fatty acids (unsaturated fats, polyunsaturated fats, omega3 fats, etc etc), wich play a large role in fat metabolism.

Your carbohydrate intake is verry large. A large part of your carbohydrates consist of sugars. This inhibits fat mobilisation and breakdown, and there are many other reasons why this is not a great thing.

Ur training is verry poorly designed. but i dont want te get deeper into that before ur nutrition is allright.
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another important thing: Did u diet the last months? or did u bulk? Dieting for extended ammounts of time screws up your metabolism and accelerates muscle loss and slows down fat loss.
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[Mattblack]

Ooops, I thought my carb intake was low. How is it high?

I'm not looking to be a professional athlete and I think the stress and ball-ache of too much counting is gonna have a negative effect on me mentally. If you have some general advice on my diet, what to cut out / add I would appreciate it

I usually do 2 months bulking, 4 Weeks cutting. But the summer has been a bit strange due to a number of holidays and studying abroad.

My fat % is still too high though so I need to get rid of the flab. I don't want to cut for too long and lose the benefits of my bulking (which aren't so great anyhow haha)

As I said though, i'm not looking to be competition standards or anything...just generally healthy and to be a bit happier about myself

Thx again
Matt

[Snuff-Sann]

I think what Dyno's trying to tell you is that maybe making chancements into your diet can provide you with the amount of fat-loss you are aiming for, it will get rid of your flab without using a ECA stack.

Personally I would just add some caffein what will boost up the whole process.

[inferno_0666]

Mate, read very carefully:

Do note that the body can develop tolerance to these effects so any effect might not be very long lasting.

It doesn't say:

Do note that the body will develop tolerance to these effects so any effect will not be very long lasting.

Such an enormous big difference!

You are arguing now just because you want to argue. Arguing about semantics and the usage of the lexicon is going a bit off track.

[Snuff-Sann]

You are arguing now just because you want to argue. Arguing about semantics and the usage of the lexicon is going a bit off track.

Try to keep it simple and easy to understand mate.

If something can happen it doesn't automatically mean that it will happen.
There is a chance but it's not definate, try to seperate those two.