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    Learn The Facts: The Science Behind Stretching – Written By Menno Henselmans

    If you’re a committed weight trainer, chances are you’re either stretching a lot already or think you should be stretching more. Historically, stretching has been considered one of those “does no wrong” activities, one that’s been largely overlooked by virtually everyone outside of a yoga studio. But over the last two decades or so, people have started to figure out that stretching isn’t quite the holy grail of healthy training.

    We’ve learned that stretching should be implemented strategically and not just at any time, that different stretching modalities like static, dynamic, and PNF stretching have different effects, and that using the wrong type of stretch can do more harm than good.

    In summary, we’ve come to realize that stretching is limited in its use, and is not the panacea that every perky girl in form fitting yoga pants would have us believe. And with that, I’m here to deliver the coup de grâce.

    Impressively Formal Disclaimer:

    All information provided in this article is directed at neurologically intact and asymptomatic individuals. Clinical populations should consult with their therapist before implementing the approaches advocated in this article.

    For those not quite up to date with the advances in our knowledge of stretching, here’s the short version.

    Stretching, regardless of form, does not reduce muscle soreness.
    Static stretching, whether before or after exercise, does not prevent and, in excess, may even cause performance injuries.
    (Excessive) static stretching of a muscle before exercise decreases its subsequent performance.
    Static stretching does not increase strength or muscle gains from resistance training.

    In line with these findings, the idea that ‘stretching is good and more of it is better’ has been replaced with the advice that we should do dynamic stretching before training and static stretching after. The dynamic stretching is intended to increase mobility and the static stretching to increase flexibility.

    Moreover, it’s generally accepted that we don’t have to stretch every single muscle – only those that are excessively shortened as a result of training or daily activities.

    This is fundamentally wrong.

    To understand why, first look at what happens when you stretch a muscle. Broadly speaking, there are three mechanisms by which range of motion, passive or active, can be increased: Viscoelasticity increases. Simply put, the more elastic a muscle, the more it can be stretched out. However, viscoelasticity isn’t the same as elasticity, and for this reason muscles are not at all like rubber bands, as often stated. “Like solid materials, they demonstrate elasticity by resuming their original length once tensile force is removed. Yet, like liquids, they also behave viscously because their response to tensile force is rate and time dependent” (Weppler & Magnusson, 2010). Neural stretch tolerance increases. The more permissive the nervous system, the greater the ROM it allows the muscle-tendon structures to reach. There are several neural mechanisms, like agonist reflex activation, that contribute to the increased extensibility, but let’s use neural stretch tolerance as a catch-all term for all neural processes here. Muscle length increases. The longer a muscle, the longer its ROM. As such, increases in ROM can be due to any of these 3 factors. The assumption of most stretching programs is that muscle length increases. However, this is based on outdated and methodologically flawed research with improper use of terminology.

    Basically, researchers were using different terms to denote what they were researching and different measurement techniques to do it.

    That’s why we now have all these confusing terms like stiffness, flexibility and mobility. The following is what really happens to the above properties when you stretch a muscle: Viscoelasticity may increase after hard stretching, as in over two minutes, but this is only temporary. Depending on the amount of stretching, viscoelasticity returns to baseline within about 10 minutes after two minutes of stretching; or 20 minutes after 4-8 minutes of stretching; or an hour after some seriously hardcore yoga. Stretch tolerance increases. As this is neural learning, like memorizing words, this is a more permanent adaptation. However, the increased stretch tolerance is lost over time and can be reinforced by repetition, much like words are gradually lost from memory and reinforced by repetition. Muscle (and tendon) length stay exactly the same. When you stretch a muscle, no permanent structural adaptations take place. All you do with most stretching programs is teach the nervous system that it’s okay to relax the muscle a bit more when stretched. Most of the neural adaptation actually is an increase in pain tolerance.

    Any increases in range of motion still present the day after the stretching are due to purely neural adaptations. Let me emphasize for effect: You can’t increase a muscle’s length by stretching it. This, of course, has far reaching implications for the use of stretching in flexibility training, warming up, and postural correction.

    Flexibility

    If you’re stretching to get more flexible or mobile – I won’t distinguish between the terms – its success is determined on your exact goal. Doing just any hamstring stretch won’t increase hamstring length, so it’ll have limited carry-over to other hamstring stretches. You need to define exactly why you want to become more flexible, taking into account that your body’s adaptations to the stretching will follow the specificity principle. For bodybuilders, flexibility training is only useful to improve range of motion in exercises that you want to do, but currently can’t do with full ROM. As per the specificity principle, you should make the stretches mimic the desired movement as closely as possible. In fact, the most specific and therefore best stretch is usually the movement itself. For example, if you want to be able to move in your grip on back squats or use a clean grip for front squats, you should just get under the bar and force your hands into position. Try to approximate the desired position and hold. Low-intensity static stretching like this – just uncomfortable, not painful – is as effective or even more effective than harder stretching. The optimal duration seems to be about 30 seconds, after which very little further adaptations take place. If you want to increase your ROM in a movement, like squats, the most effective way is simply to do the exercise.

    This is why great coaches can get most people to squat to parallel with just some cues and practice, yet you’ll see others ‘working up’ to the full squat with a gazillion exercises and months of stretching.

    Ironically, it’s often the most ardent haters of isolation exercises that prescribe isolation stretches for this purpose. In fact, contrary to stretching, resistance training can actually increase muscle length. The key is to strengthen the muscle eccentrically in its lengthened position. If someone has short hamstrings, which is actually very rare, doing good mornings or Romanian deadlifts is infinitely more effective than any possible amount of stretching. As for progression, you should be able to perform most strength movements within a couple sessions. If after two months of frequent stretching you still can’t perform a movement, you likely have poor technique, a muscle imbalance, or soft-tissue restrictions. If you’ve ruled out all of the above and are still too inflexible, you’ve reached your genetic flexibility limit.

    It’s far easier and much more common than reaching your muscular potential. Some people will just never be able to squat to parallel and I’d go so far as to say most people will never be able to squat ass to grass with a neutral pelvis.

    Warming Up

    Based on the findings listed in the introduction, static stretching before your training sessions is a very bad idea. Dynamic stretching is also unnecessary, though some of the most effective warm-up drills are effectively dynamic stretches, since practically any active movement that takes a muscle through its entire ROM can be considered a dynamic stretch. As per the specificity principle, you should remember what it is you’re preparing your body for during the warm-up. The general warm-up, which is literally mostly just about warming yourself up, can be just about anything.

    As for the specific warm-up, do you have any muscles that need activation work to function properly? Will you be able to use full ROM without stretching beforehand?

    Sometimes it’s enough to just do the warm-up sets of the movement you’re preparing for. Whatever you do, you should normally be done with it in less than five minutes. Warm-ups don’t have to be complicated. It seems many coaches just like to make them complicated just to sound knowledgeable. The empirical evidence that extensive warm-ups enhance performance or decrease injuries is actually weak.

    Furthermore, evolutionarily speaking, it just wouldn’t make sense if humans needed long warm-ups.

    Posture

    Forget everything you think you know about tight and loose and weak muscles. Posture is mostly a result of neural programming – the relative activation of all muscles in your body determines your posture. Stretching and strength training have repeatedly shown to have no or weak effects on posture. This makes sense, because stretching doesn’t actually improve muscle length and can thus only affect posture through its neural effects. Strength training and correction of muscular imbalances can also help, but in reality very little maximal strength is required to maintain optimal posture.

    Tangentially, there’s also no scientific consensus on what constitutes optimal posture or muscle length, even though military posture is often advocated as the perfect prototype.

    Individual variation in anthropometry (your body’s proportions and structure) make optimal posture unique for each individual and forcing people into some preconceived general position can do more harm than good. If not stretching and strength training, what determines a person’s posture then? By and large, lifestyle. Sports, strength training, and stretching all affect posture, but duration is far more important than magnitude regarding posture, and all such activities are thus dwarfed by your lifestyle. It’s not uncommon to see professional athletes exhibit amazing biomechanics during their performance, yet atrocious posture in daily life. This is because of the body’s amazing ability to adapt in a task-specific manner. So, if you want to improve your posture, forget about stretching and strength training. You’re already achieving all you can in that respect if you follow a decent program. The real key is mind over matter. Just as when trying to lose a tic, you must become aware of it and then correct it. Repeatedly. For a long time.

    In time, your posture will improve. Soft-tissue work can also help, especially if something is really out of whack, but in the end it’s mostly about neural programming. If you want to correct your posture, you’ll need to just adopt the desired posture until it becomes automatic.

    Final Notes

    Stretching is one of the great myths of the fitness industry. The facts are in, the jury has deliberated, and the verdict is clear: the usefulness of stretching is severely limited. Stretching, if it’s necessary at all, should be a task specific means to an end. Stretching is not an end in and of itself, so just stretching without a plan isn’t going to do jack. Perhaps it’s best to abandon the term completely, since nothing is permanently stretched out during stretching. For future use, I propose we call it stretch tolerance development, or STD for short. (Or was that acronym already taken?)

    Anyway, let no testosterone-fueled man henceforth subject himself to more than five minutes of this tedious activity per day.

    Take Home Messages

    You can’t increase a muscle’s length by stretching it. You can only increase your neural stretch tolerance.
    To increase flexibility, adhere to the specificity principle. Increasing passive ROM is best achieved by 30 seconds of static stretching in a position as close to the desired position as possible. Increasing active ROM is best achieved by performing the desired movement against a resistance over your maximal ROM.
    Keep warm-ups short and to the point. Prepare your body for the specific task at hand.
    If you want to change your posture, you need to become aware of it and correct it until holding your new posture becomes automatic.

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    Door Menno Henselmans;


    received a lot of questions regarding my article about stretching and many of them fall in the category of 'when I stretch, I feel better. How can you explain that?' While such questions could be discarded as empirical evidence for being completely anecdotal, I'm a pragmatist myself and if stretching helped me I wouldn't stop doing it either. However, if I could more accurately diagnose whatever problem I had and solve it in an easier (and less tedious) manner, that would of course be optimal. So, I thought I'd provide a general answer to these questions. To avoid making the answer overly general and unapplicable, I will roughly stick to the following question.


    Hi Menno,
    I came to your website from the article you wrote about why stretching is not very useful. I read another article of yours (the one about only needing 0.82g of protein per lb bodyweight) and I can tell that you spend a lot of time and and do a lot of diligent research for your writing. It's refreshing to see strong, honest literature in the fitness world!
    I had a question about the stretching article though. If what you say is true, why does stretching make me feel better? In general, weeks where I stretch regularly (once a day) my body hurts less than weeks where I don't. I usually spend all day sitting in front of my computer, except for when I walk to a meeting or am working out (3x/week). In particular, lower body mobility drills really helped me out, especially when combined with some soft-tissue work with a tennis ball.

    So what is it that is making my body feel better, and hurt less?
    - Mr. Orange (fictional name)



    First, we need to diagnose the exact problem. Absent stretching, Mr. Orange suffers from a 'hurting body'. That's about as unspecific as it gets, which clearly illustrates many cases where stretching supposedly helps. If the assumption is that it helps, it's easy to conclude that it does. I haven't heard of anyone that said 'on days subsequent to stretching sessions, my ROM in the squat is consistently greater, as evidenced by camera recordings of my squats, compared to days not subsequent to stretching sessions, keeping all other factors constant'. That would be a more convincing argument in favor of stretching. Anyway, let's assume that stretching indeed provides some benefit for Mr. Orange, whether it's increased ROM or less pain. How could stretching do this?

    1. It's not the stretching: it's just being active. If you compare stretching to complete non-activity, this is a huge confounding effect. We've evolved to move constantly. Computers, books and even comfy chairs were not present during most of human evolution and many modern pathologies are caused by inactivity. Complete immobility is absolutely killer for the human body. If you immobilize a human body long enough, many tissues will atrophy or die off completely and I'm not just talking about muscles. In time, you will likely die. If you sit behind a computer all day, as in the case of Mr. Orange, of course it helps to perform light, daily training sessions. If you do 20 minutes of stretching every day, that's over 2 hours of extra activity per week. Think about how 2 hours of other active recovery work could help you.

    2. Increased pain tolerance. Stretching, especially static stretching, increases pain tolerance. If you're in chronic pain, stretching may provide temporary relief, but just as for pain killer medication, it doesn't solve the problem. This would also explain why the problem often recurs after cessation of regular stretching. The increased pain tolerance could also be due to endorphins released after the session or simply by relax

    Note that the likelihood of this explanation is low for people without chronic pain.

    3. The mind-muscle connection. One of the main messages of my stretching article was that the long term effects of stretching are neural, not morphological. Neural (motor) reprogramming can occur without actual activity. You can become better at a sport simply by watching others do it. Your left leg becomes stronger even if you only train your right leg. You can even train a muscle to become stronger by visualizing its training. So too can you improve your technique or your posture by simply thinking about it and I'd say actively engaging in a daily activity (i.e. stretching) definitely constitutes paying attention to it.

    The more actively engaged you are with your stretching (that is, you're not just going through the motions), the more likely this explanation. This is why I say the key to good posture is mind over matter. You don't have to stretch. You have to educate your nervous system. Good posture in turn can make you feel and function better.

    4. It's not the stretching: it's an unknown variable. This could be something obvious, like soft tissue work in the case of Mr. Orange, or something much less obvious. Maybe your body took care of the problem itself over time. Maybe some external event increased your happiness which made you feel better or healthier. It's easy to overlook what we cannot think of, in fact it's impossible not to.

    In conclusion, to understand if and how an intervention solves a problem it is necessary to very specifically define the problem and understand what the effects of the intervention are. Only then can we conclude anything meaningful from such a situation. Anecdotes in general are poor empirical evidence, because there are always confounding variables and they are rarely all obvious.
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    • #3
      Oftewel, nav dit artikel + aanvullende vragen heb ik wel het een en ander veranderd (voor mijn knieblessure).
      1. Ik stretch niet na de training.
      2. Ik stretch niet statisch voor de training.
      3. Ik stretch niet op rustdagen.

      Wat doe ik dan wel?
      1. Ik doe zo nu en dan shoulder dislocations
      2. Ik doe de eric cressey warm-up voor de training (zie 1 van mijn andere posts). Maar alleen de oefeningen van spiergroepen die ik tijdens die training gebruik.
      3. Voor UB-trainingen beperk ik dit tot wat rotator cuff oefeningen.
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      • #4
        Straks eens doorwerken, aangezien ik 'altijd al eens wou begonnen met rekken en strekken', en dit artikel er op het eerste gezicht wel goed uit ziet om te kijken of dat inderdaad wel zo handig is.
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        • #5
          Goede post. Erg interessant. Vooral dat neurologische verhaal achter grotere ROM en verkrachte houding.
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          • #6
            Dit gedeelte vond ik het meest bruikbare van de hele tekst:


            For bodybuilders, flexibility training is only useful to improve range of motion in exercises that you want to do, but currently can’t do with full ROM. As per the specificity principle, you should make the stretches mimic the desired movement as closely as possible. In fact, the most specific and therefore best stretch is usually the movement itself. For example, if you want to be able to move in your grip on back squats or use a clean grip for front squats, you should just get under the bar and force your hands into position. Try to approximate the desired position and hold. Low-intensity static stretching like this – just uncomfortable, not painful – is as effective or even more effective than harder stretching. The optimal duration seems to be about 30 seconds, after which very little further adaptations take place. If you want to increase your ROM in a movement, like squats, the most effective way is simply to do the exercise.
            I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
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            • #7
              Interessant stuk, ook dat van Posture, dit geeft mij toch een ander beeld op het verhelpen van de pelvic tilt wat in dit topic werd aangehaald: http://forum.bodynet.nl/oefeningen/5...g-strains.html
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              • #8
                Stretchen werkt extreem pijnverlichtend voor mij en draagt bij aan meer spiergroei mits goed gebruikt, dit is een beetje hetzelfde als zeggen ''krachttraining is overrated want je moet heel vaak trainen om maar een klein beetje groter te worden''..

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by aktito View Post
                  Stretchen werkt extreem pijnverlichtend voor mij en draagt bij aan meer spiergroei mits goed gebruikt, dit is een beetje hetzelfde als zeggen ''krachttraining is overrated want je moet heel vaak trainen om maar een klein beetje groter te worden''..
                  De auteur van dit artikel zou dus zeggen dat je pain tolerance gewoon toegenomen is door het stretchen. Oftewel het zit all in the mind. Dat kan je ook terugvinden in de tweede post waar de auteur in de verdediging gaat. Er zijn een heel hoop factoren die de pijnverlichtende werking kunnen verklaren (omitted variables).
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                  • #10
                    For bodybuilders, flexibility training is only useful to improve range of motion in exercises that you want to do, but currently can’t do with full ROM
                    .

                    Dat is het enige waarvoor ik stretch. Om goed te kunnen squatten. Wat dynamic stretching+stretch opzoeken met squats in opwarm sets.
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                    • #11
                      Mooi artikel en plaatst het stretch verhaal weer in een ander licht. Stretchen heeft dus wel nut, maar alleen op neurologisch gebied? Dus als ik nu een oefening niet kan door "korte spieren" kan ik middels stretchen zorgen dat de spier verder kan omdat je zenuwen geen pijnprikkel geven? Ook een weer een teken dat ik op mijn houding moet blijven letten buiten de trainingen om.
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                      • #12
                        Interessant stukje, ikzelf probeer mijn natuurlijke rek/pijngrens op te laten schuiven, omdat ik me daar prettig bij voel.

                        Nu weet ik alleen niet wat ik hier precies mee aan moet:

                        "If after two months of frequent stretching you still can’t perform a movement, you likely have poor technique, a muscle imbalance, or soft-tissue restrictions. If you’ve ruled out all of the above and are still too inflexible, you’ve reached your genetic flexibility limit.

                        It’s far easier and much more common than reaching your muscular potential. Some people will just never be able to squat to parallel and I’d go so far as to say most people will never be able to squat ass to grass with a neutral pelvis."

                        Wordt er nou bedoeld dat er gewoon mensen zijn die niet met een neutral pelvis kunnen fulls quatten ongeacht of ze nu rekken + de oefening uitvoeren? Ikzelf ga morgen, maar eens gewoon met de lege stang statisch rekken in de full squat positie en de front squat, dat zijn eigenlijk de enige oefeningen waar ik volgens mij nog net dat beetje extra flexibiliteit kan gebruiken.
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                        • #13
                          Rekken en strekken blijft een eeuwige discussie. Steeds om een aantal jaar veranderen de gedachten over rekken strekken, wel of niet goed. Belangrijkste is denk ik wat je zelf ervaart. Ik doe het niet, want ik hou er niet van....

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                          • #14
                            Ik doe zelf veel yoga. Wat er in je hoofd gebeurt, is minstens zo belangrijk als in welke pose je je lichaam hebt gemanoeuvreerd.

                            Het interessantst van deze auteur vind ik daarom dat hij het heeft over wat er in je 'mind' gebeurt. Wat ik zelf heb ervaren is dat je spieren ver kunnen rekken, je moet alleen durven loslaten. Net zoals iedereen kracht in zich heeft maar moet leren hoe je die kunt inzetten. En ook houding: let gewoon de gehele dag op je houding (hoe zit jij nu te lezen eigenlijk?). Yoga begint altijd met gewoon goed staan. Gewoon staan!

                            Ik zie ook dat niet iedereen even ver komt met rekken, niet alleen omdat ze dat geestelijk niet kunnen, er zijn ook fysieke beperkingen. Niet iedereen is gelijk gebouwd, lengte van de botten en mate van beweeglijkheid van de gewrichten spelen ook een rol evenals vergroeiingen, dan zijn er nog man-vrouw verschillen bij het bekken, enzovoorts.

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                            • #15
                              De vergelijking rekken werkt niet dus doe ik het ook niet meer voor mijn knie is niet de beste die je kunt trekken. Fysiotherapeutsch gezien kan het in sommige gevallen best goed helpen om wat te stretchen al verkies ik zelf dan ook de PNF manier van stretchen boven de andere voren.

                              Daarnaast ben ik het veelal eens met menno op dit na. Pre workout mobiliteits en/of dynamische rekoefeningen kunnen zeker de ROM en daarmee zelfs de kans op een blessure voorkomen. Imagine iemand die heel de dag zit. Vraag voor de kijkers thuis, welke spier raakt hiermee verkort? Inderdaad de illiopsoas. Daar tegenover staat welke spieren raken verlengd door lang zitten? Iderdaad de glutei. Stel deze best man komt in de gym imo zou de beste manier van warming up zijn door gewoon ergens lekker warm te draaien en vervolgens spieractiverende oefeningen te doen voor de bil spieren en mobiliteits/rek oefeningen voor de iliopsoas, al is het maar voor de tijdelelijke bewegingsvrijheid die het geeft en dus een betere techniek.

                              Daarnaast vraag ik me af (dit doe ik puur uit mijn blote bol en heb niet werkelijk aandacht de post doorgelezen) als het zo zou zijn dat je alleen maar meer tollerant word voor de pijn dan is het toch vreemd dat de eens een split kan maken en de ander niet. Het is wetenschappelijk aangetoont dat mensen die lenig zijn meer sarcomeren in serie hebben liggen dan mensen die dit niet zijn. Dat is ook een van de dingen die aangedragen word waarom stretchen wel zou helpen omdat het werkelijk de lengte van de spier ten goede komt. Onderzoek bij patienten die om welke redenen dan ook contracturen ontwikkelen geven ook aan dat er tot 25% minder sarcomeren in serie liggen dan bij mensen die dit niet hebben dit verstevigd dan ook de bovenstaant claim.

                              Nogmaals ben niet voor stretchen zeker niet voor de training maar om het zomaar van tafel te vegen is wellicht nog te vroeg.

                              Ps grappige toevoeging zal weleens kijken of ik hem nog kan vinden maar er is zelfs een studie gedaan naar de invloed van rekken op de aderen. Het bleek dat deze plastischer worden en daardoor veel vaatziekte zouden kunnen voorkomen worden.
                              Last edited by Beescht; 29-08-2012, 21:30.
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