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1,3 dimethyl (DMAA) & Geranium opheldering
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Originally posted by Kevster View PostDat zou ik zeker op prijs stellen! ;-)"You are what you eat..."
That's strange I don't think I've eaten any sexy beasts today...
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Beta-alanine zorgt ook voor die befaamde tintelingen en is spotgoedkoop. Het zit ook in veel van die pwo supplementen. Ik heb een jaar geleden een potje gekocht en het staat nog steeds in de koelkast. Dus het heeft blijkbaar niet zoveel indruk gemaakt.I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
- Dave Tate
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Originally posted by Robbie1970 View PostBij de volgende bestelling zal ik wel weer een zooi krijgen, laatst had ik er een zooitje van Coleman, dan moet je er 2 innemen, een pwo en een testo gen ofzo, vond hem opzich wel goed werken, werd er niet gejaagd door zoals bij andere merken.
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Artikel op krachtsport.nl
hier vermelden ze overigens ook dat geranium best vermeden wordt.
DMAA in Supplementen | krachtsport.nlRaw 235-180-275 totaal 690kg 413.7 wilks @ IPF -105
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Coming clean: Will the real DMAA please stand up?
USP Labs and other manufacturers and retailers that trade in products that contain the pre-workout stimulant DMAA are feeling the heat at the moment as scrutiny around the source and safety of the compound mounts.
It’s probably not the kind of workout USP Labs had in mind when they launched Jack3D and OxyElite a few years ago containing a bunch of stimulants the most controversial and problematic one being DMAA (1,3 dimethylamylamine) or MHA (methylhexanamine) or geranamine, or geranium stems or Forlane or…
…and here is the central problem – not safety – but source. If the safety issues are stemming from misuse or inadvertent overdosing, USP Labs should not be blamed. That’s another issue – its products are clearly labelled re: dosage. Quite thoroughly in fact.
I bought a jar of Jack3D, tried the recommended half a spoon in a glass of water for first timers. It made my heartrate jump about 50% and brought a mild burning sensation to my skin for about 30 minutes. There may have been an energy boost when I went road cycling.
Given it also contains caffeine, creatine and some other stimulants, it is little wonder it has also got quite a reputation as a ‘party aid’.
Which has not helped its cause, nor has the death of two US soldiers whose autopsies revealed DMAA traces in their blood. But before any toxicological issues can be seriously dealt with, we need to know just what it is we are dealing with here.
Plant or not plant?
So it seems the most pressing issue from both a toxicological and regulatory viewpoint is this: Is DMAA derived from the geranium plant as USP claims it is, or is it a synthetically manufactured compound? Is it authorised for use in food supplements or not?
Will the real DMAA please stand up? Not likely.
Imagine if you will, being in the gymboots of USP Labs? The sourcing issue is vital because if the DMAA USP Labs and others are using does indeed come from the geranium plant (USP Labs says a very special kind of geranium plant only found in one very special Chinese province), then botanical grandfathering may back the ingredient’s legitimacy. In the US. Elsewhere. That’s not certain, but it might.
The legitimacy barbell is in USP Labs’s sweaty hands, but it refuses to lift it. If its DMAA is sourced from special geraniums from the Rongjiang region of the Guizhou province, why will it not produce documents – a certificate of analysis for example – that demonstrates just that?
Show the world you had the right to have ‘geranium stems’ on the ingredients box of Jack3D although I now see you have changed this to just dimethylamylamine HCI – why have you done this if DMAA comes from the geranium like you say it does? Was that to comply with the American Herbal Products Association guidance?
Don’t you want to stick it to the boffins at Health Canada who stated unequivocally that DMAA does not come from the geranium? Make the UK medicines agency issue letters of apology to the many retailers it has told to strip shelves and catalogues of DMAA products it views as unlicensed medicines?…
You’re just getting the papers together, right USP? That paperwork can take a long time to organise especially coming all the way from the Rongjiang region of the Guizhou province in south central China. Right? Not likely.
Instead it establishes a website around Christmas time last year called DMAAresearch.com that defends the highly disputed 1996 Ping study that it says did use Rongjiang geranium and found DMAA, and says subsequent studies that found no DMAA in geranium used the wrong geranium oil types, which can be highly fickle.
As one quoted study notes (Jain, 2001): “Significant work on geranium essential oil has been carried out in different parts of India and it was found that chemical composition is influenced by location, drying of biomass prior to distillation, age of the leaves, method of distillation, application of growth regulators, storage of oil, presence of weed, wilt disease, and the effect of the semi-arid tropical climate.”
So geranium oils ain’t geranium oils. Fair enough. But USP Labs needs to come clean on its DMAA sourcing. Hate to see the largely silent trade groups get jacked off enough to publicly force it out of you.
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hmm, ik neem dan toch liever dat risico niet meer.
Vermijd liever het risico van een hersenbloeding, dan train ik maar iets minder gefocused en energiek.Huidig: 92.5kg, 186cm 14% (schatting adv de spiegel)
Doel eind 2015: 100kg
http://forum.bodynet.nl/trainingslogjes/57190-niecks-log-naar-95-kg.html
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Originally posted by Nieck01 View Posthmm, ik neem dan toch liever dat risico niet meer.
Vermijd liever het risico van een hersenbloeding, dan train ik maar iets minder gefocused en energiek.
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Het lijkt mij in elk geval niet gezond. En als ik lekker train zonder die zooi, waarom zou ik het dan nemen?
Ik gebruik alleen NR1 van B&F voor de training (en een maaltijd uiteraard). Is ook een soort prework out maar dat zonder stimulerende middelen. Die bevalt me erg goed."Bodybuilding is a long term commitment and you won’t get the results you want over night. "
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Originally posted by Maasproductions View PostIk vraag me af of dit een direct gevolg is van de DMAA of vanwege het feit dat je als een bezetene kan trainen met dat spul op. (Hogere bloeddruk & uit eigen ervaring een hogere druk op je hoofd omdat je veel meer energie hebt om steeds tot de max te gaan)
Ik train wel altijd lekker daardoor maar heb altijd een enorme crash, dus ja. Dan train ik maar iets minder lekker maar dan de uurtjes daarna kan ik wel nog lopen zonder die pwo's :PHuidig: 92.5kg, 186cm 14% (schatting adv de spiegel)
Doel eind 2015: 100kg
http://forum.bodynet.nl/trainingslogjes/57190-niecks-log-naar-95-kg.html
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