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    Vond het wel een leuk stukje over hoe sommige oefeningen je kapot kunnen maken. Zeker de achterlangs shoulder press en de shrugs zie ik vaak terugkomen in mijn gym. Ben benieuwd of er hier mensen zijn die deze oefeningen zo doen.


    1. Behind-the-Neck Shoulder Press

    Quick question: Would you jump off the roof of your house to activate the maximum number of motor units in your quads? I'm going to assume the answer is no.
    Although you'd likely achieve more quad recruitment with roof-jumping than with anything you've ever done, it wouldn't really matter. You'd be too occupied with things like a) crying like a schoolgirl, b) calling 911, and c) looking for your kneecaps to be able to enjoy the awesome depth jump you just did.
    Along the same lines, there's no doubt that behind-the-neck presses are good at stimulating the deltoids, specifically the anterior delts. But just because an exercise is good for your muscles doesn't necessarily mean it's good for your joints.
    The main problem with behind-the-neck presses is that the movement has to be done with the shoulders in extreme external and horizontal abduction. In other words, you're required to do the movement at the very end range of motion for the shoulder joint.
    Although it's normally safe to take your shoulder to its end range of motion if you're in the club "raising the roof," it becomes far less safe when you do rep after rep, set after set, with a loaded barbell in your hands.
    While it's true that the shoulder joint (aka: glenohumeral) is the most mobile joint in the body, it's also the most unstable. So, just because you can actually get a barbell behind your head doesn't mean that you should do repeated movements, against a load no less, in that same position.
    It's much, much safer to press overhead with the humerus moving in the scapular plane, which is about 30° forward of the frontal plane.
    To find the scapular plane, raise your arms straight out to the sides (in the frontal plane) until they're parallel to the ground (as in the top position of a lateral raise). Now bring your arms forward about 30°. Your humerus is now in the plane of your scapula. This is the position your upper arms should be in when you do overhead presses.
    Sure, there are some people who can do behind-the-neck barbell presses for years and never have a shoulder problem. Likewise, there are people who can smoke cigarettes for decades and never get lung cancer. But in both cases, you're gambling... and with odds that are not in your favor.

    2. Barbell Upright Rows


    You should never do barbell upright rows. Period.
    As with behind-the-neck presses, barbell upright rows do a good job of stimulating muscles (upper traps and medial delts). Unfortunately, they also do a good job of causing or aggravating shoulder impingement syndrome (SIS).
    Shoulder impingement occurs when the tendon of the supraspinatus (a rotator cuff muscle) gets inflamed as a result of being repeatedly pressed against the bony acromion above it.
    To test for impingement syndrome, doctors place the shoulder in positions that impinge, or pinch, the supraspinatus tendon. Then, if the patient demonstrates pain, the doctor has a good idea that there's some inflammation involved.
    Neer's Test is one of the main orthopedic tests used for SIS. Here's how to do it: Forcefully elevate an internally-rotated arm in the scapular plane, causing the supraspinatus tendon to impinge against the anterior inferior acromion. In case you're unfamiliar with the motions described with Neer's Test, it's essentially the same motion as barbell upright rows.
    Did you get that? The movement that doctors use to intentionally impinge the supraspinatus is basically the exact same motion as the barbell upright row!
    Hopefully, a bell went off in your head: "Hmm, maybe upright rows aren't good for my shoulders."
    For those of you who are going to do upright rows anyway, at least use dumbbells that allow you to widen your grip as you come up. This will be less insulting to your shoulders than the standard narrow-grip version done with a barbell.

    3. Shrugs with Shoulder Roll



    Back when Michael J. Fox was joyriding in a DeLorean in Back to The Future, it seemed that everyone who did shrugs did them with a roll, either rolling their shoulders forward or backward after each vertical shrug. Sadly, I still see some people doing this, so let's set the record straight.
    We do shrugs to build our upper traps, right? Well, the primary function of your upper traps is to shrug or elevate your shoulders. So it makes sense: shrugging upward against resistance builds your upper traps. We're good so far, but now let's look at the rolling component of "rolling shrugs."
    Once you're in the top position of a shrug, rolling your shoulders forward from that point actually moves the line of force anterior to and away from the upper traps, just the opposite of what you want to do.
    So not only does rolling your shoulders forward during shrugs fail to work better, it's actually worse. The only thing forward-rolling shrugs do for you is let everyone around you know that you have no idea what you're doing in the gym.
    If you insist on doing your part to keep rolling shrugs in style, at least roll your shoulders backward when you do them. That way you can say you do it to give your scapular retractors (rhomboids, middle, and lower traps) a little extra work. No, it doesn't work them well at all since the resistance is going down and your retractors pull back, but hey, at least it's something.

    4. Twisting Sit-ups


    Many people do twisting sit-ups to target both the rectus abdominus (abs) and the obliques at the same time. Killing two birds with one stone? Makes perfect sense, but there's a problem.
    When you do a sit-up – or a full crunch where your lower back doesn't stay flat on the ground – your lumbar spine rounds forward, which is called flexion. The problem is, spinal flexion puts a lot of pressure on the intervertebral discs.
    But there's one specific motion that's far more dangerous to discs than flexion: flexion combined with rotation. Unfortunately, that's the exact motion you're doing when you do sit-ups with a twist.
    Flexion with rotation pushes the nucleus pulposus – the jellylike center – of the disc posterolateral (back and to the side), which is precisely where discs tend to herniate.
    Unless you actually want a herniated disc – and experience the numbness, tingling, and excruciating pain that goes with it – avoid sit-ups with a twist, or any spinal flexion combined with rotation.

    5. Stiff-Legged Deadlifts with a Rounded Back



    As I mentioned above, spinal flexion (rounding your lower back) really puts a lot of undue stress on the nucleus pulposus of the discs. In addition to flexion with rotation, there's yet another type of stress that's even worse than flexion alone: flexion with compression.
    Flexion with compression could also be stated as flexion under load. For example: doing a barbell stiff-legged deadlift with a rounded back. (Just picturing that as I type it makes me cringe!)
    It's one thing to round your back while you're bending over to touch your toes, but it's a far more dangerous situation when you do that with added resistance! The compressive forces of the weight exponentially increase the force placed on those poor, poor discs of yours.
    Doing a stiff-legged deadlift with a rounded back is basically asking for a herniated disc!
    And don't think just because you've done that before and didn't herniate a disc that you never will. Disc herniations are essentially repetitive-use injuries that occur gradually over time. That's why it's so important to protect your lower back from the very beginning of your training career.
    Besides stiff-legged deadlifts, people tend to round their backs on squats, bent-over rows, and low-cable rows. No matter the exercise, make sure to keep your back flat during every movement, especially if there's added resistance involved.

    Stimulate... Safely


    Remember, an exercise that may be good for your muscles may be damaging to your joints. The above five exercises have no place in your routine if you have long-term results in mind!

  • #2
    Ik zie ze ook veel, heb de stukjes nog niet gelezen maar vind ben het met de oefen keuze mee eens.
    En raad ik altijd iedereen het altijd af.
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    • #3
      Ik ben ervan op de hoogte, ja.

      Voor de behind-the-neck pulldown geldt zo ongeveer hetzelfde als voor de behind-the-neck press.

      De volgende oefeningen kun je ook toevoegen aan die lijst:

      1) Leg extension

      2) Behind-the-neck pulldown

      3) Pec deck flyes

      4) Smith machine squats
      I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
      - Dave Tate

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      • #4
        Ah, die van de leg extension wist ik niet. Doe hem gelukkig nooit, mooi dat ik nu weet dat ik het ook niet moet gaan doen

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        • #5
          Waarom leg ext? Verklaar
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          Because I do things you will never do.
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          • #6
            Leg extensions zijn mij bekend, die mag ik ook niet doen van de fysio. Ook hyperextensions mogen niet.
            Status: pakt het weer rustig aan op.

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            • #7
              Hoe zit het met behind-neck-lat-pulldowns?

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              • #8
                Zelfde als de press: gevaarlijke voor de gewrichten.

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                • #9
                  Tot nu toe nergens last van met de leg extension, zit er al 2 jaar in...
                  Alles draait om de uitvoering.

                  Stiff leged DL zie ik nog 80% van de mensen in de gym fout doen, en dat nogwel in een hardcore gym..
                  Make it happen, shock everyone!

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                  • #10
                    We kunnen zo wel een flinke waslijst aan oefeningen bedenken die je of niet moet doen of beperking in het gebruikte gewicht moet aanbrengen vanwege gevaar voor gewrichten en pezen enz.

                    Je kan er met alle oefeningen van uit gaan dat; wanneer de bewegingsuitlag in een oefening een natuurijke beweging van de ledematen en gewrichten is en je kan deze zonder hinder met gematigde weerstand uitvoeren dan mag je die doen. Gevaarlijk wordt het wanneer de gewichten te hoog worden en de belasting te lang voortduurt.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by nbtp View Post
                      Waarom leg ext? Verklaar
                      Leg extensions zijn zelfs voor revalidatie geen goede oefening. En voor krachtttaining is dit een waardeloze oefening die nauwelijks iets toevoegt aan je ontwikkeling.

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                      T NATION | Truth About Leg Extensions

                      Leg Extension Risks:
                      1. Increased patellofemoral joint reaction force, knee movement, and joint stress in the most commonly used range of motion.
                      2. Reduced hamstrings activity.
                      3. Reduced VMO activity and late onset of firing.
                      4. Non-existent hip adductor and abductor contribution.
                      5. Increased rectus femoris firing.
                      6. Constant ACL tension.
                      7. Higher patellar ligament, quadriceps tendon, and patellofemoral and tibiofemoral forces with the most commonly utilized loading parameters.
                      8. Increased lateral patellar deviation.
                      9. Insufficient involvement of surrounding joints to ensure optimal functioning.
                      10. Poor training economy (no carryover to closed-chain performance from open-chain exercises).
                      Leg Extension Benefits:
                      1. Will give you a good pump, but not even close to the benefits you'll get from squatting and single-leg movements.
                      2. Uh, wait, there's really only one benefit — and it's pretty weak.
                      Whether you're a patient or not, the take-home message is the same: if you want more bang for your training buck you should be squatting, not doing leg extensions. Factor in the additional loading that squatting allows, and it should come as no surprise that you'll see better gains in size, strength, and functional capacity.

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                      Leg extensions kunnen onbalans in de gewrichten veroorzaken. Voor een goede stabiliteit rond de knie moeten zowel quadriceps als hamstrings getraind worden en in het overgrote gedeelte van de gevallen zijn hamstrings zwak vergeleken met de quadriceps.

                      Normaliter is er sprake van axiale druk op de knieën, dus druk van bovenaf. Daarop zijn de knieën namelijk berekend, zo zit onze anatomie in elkaar. Leg extensions veroorzaken dwarskrachten waar een knie in normaal gebruik eigenlijk nooit aan blootgesteld wordt.

                      De leg extension is geen zogenaamde natuurlijke oefening; waarmee wil ik zeggen dat het lichaam geen voorgeprogrammeerde bewegingspatronen voor die beweging heeft in het centrale zenuwstelsel. Dat maakt deze oefening minder productief.

                      Meer informatie:

                      Note that this research suggests that for individuals with anterior cruciate injuries, squats should be safer than isokinetic or isometric extension for quadriceps strengthening (leg extension), since forces acting on the ACL were lower during squatting, compared with both isokinetic and isometric extension. Yet, individuals with ACL injuries are often told to eschew squatting for extended periods of time - and instead work on leg-extension machines which actually may place more stress on the anterior cruciate ligament. For individuals with ACL problems, isokinetic flexion, isometric flexion, and squatting may safely be used for strengthening of the hamstrings, but note that isokinetic and isometric flexion are less 'functional' than squatting, i.e., they fail to duplicate the weight-bearing, synchronous multi-joint movements associated with sporting activity.

                      bron: Squats: how safe is it to perform a squat exercise?
                      Significant tension in the anterior cruciate ligament was present only during leg extensions (it peaked when the knee was close to full extension), not during squatting and leg pressing, again suggesting that squatting is a relatively safe activity for individuals with anterior-cruciate problems.

                      bron: Squats: how safe is it to perform a squat exercise?
                      Squats and leg presses produced more activity in the vastus medialis and vastus lateralis components of the quadriceps muscles (the inside and outside portions of the quads), compared with leg extensions, indicating that squats and leg presses would be superior to extensions for 'vasti' strengthening.

                      bron: Squats: how safe is it to perform a squat exercise?
                      The Alabama scientists concluded rather blandly that 'An understanding of these results can help in choosing appropriate exercises for rehabilitation and training.' We can add that their research suggests that squatting is by and large a safe activity for individuals with knee problems (as long as those with posterior-cruciate, tibial-femoral, and patellofemoral problems avoid deep squats) and offers some advantages over leg extensions for quadriceps-muscle strengthening. The sports specificity of squatting (i.e., the fact that it is carried out in a weight-bearing, ready-for-movement posture, in contrast to the seated position associated with leg extensions) puts squatting in an even more favourable light.

                      bron: Squats: how safe is it to perform a squat exercise?
                      Originally posted by gain is pain View Post
                      Tot nu toe nergens last van met de leg extension, zit er al 2 jaar in...
                      Alles draait om de uitvoering.
                      Het heeft niks te maken met de uitvoering. Het is inherent aan de oefening en dat is wetenschappelijk aangetoond.

                      Ik ben het dan ook eens met dit stukje uit het artikel dat Silk heeft geplaatst:

                      Sure, there are some people who can do behind-the-neck barbell presses for years and never have a shoulder problem. Likewise, there are people who can smoke cigarettes for decades and never get lung cancer. But in both cases, you're gambling... and with odds that are not in your favor.
                      Het gaat dan wel over de behind-the-neck-press maar het is evengoed toepasbaar op leg extensions.
                      Last edited by inferno_0666; 15-11-2011, 20:55.
                      I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
                      - Dave Tate

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Silk View Post

                        4. Twisting Sit-ups[/B]
                        Zou dat betekenen dat ook de torso rotation geen goede oefening is :S
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gain is pain View Post
                          Tot nu toe nergens last van met de leg extension, zit er al 2 jaar in...
                          Alles draait om de uitvoering.

                          Ik doe ze ook al ongeveer 2 jaar ofzo en nooit last van ook de 20 jaar na je eerste 2 jaar nooit last van en of het nu met 50kilo of 150kilo is op een Hammermachine of plate loaded maakt geen donder uit.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by marnop View Post
                            We kunnen zo wel een flinke waslijst aan oefeningen bedenken die je of niet moet doen of beperking in het gebruikte gewicht moet aanbrengen vanwege gevaar voor gewrichten en pezen enz.

                            Je kan er met alle oefeningen van uit gaan dat; wanneer de bewegingsuitlag in een oefening een natuurijke beweging van de ledematen en gewrichten is en je kan deze zonder hinder met gematigde weerstand uitvoeren dan mag je die doen. Gevaarlijk wordt het wanneer de gewichten te hoog worden en de belasting te lang voortduurt.
                            Maak die waslijst is dan.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Yawa77 View Post
                              Zou dat betekenen dat ook de torso rotation geen goede oefening is :S
                              http://www.lifefitness.com/static/cm..._FZTR-hero.png

                              die doe je zonder te crunchen......daarin zat het probleem, het samen doen met crunch.
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