Waar halen jullie al je info vandaan??

**moody** · 03-08-2003, 21:28

hier een paar interressante links

Bodypage
Finaflex
Anabolen startkabel

**Darren** · 03-08-2003, 21:29

Engelse sites zijn er inderdaad genoeg alleen heb ik het gevoel dat zich daar meer mensen bevinden die echt tot het uiterste gaan ten koste van alles.

**moody** · 03-08-2003, 21:33

Ja daar ben ik het ook volkomen mee eens .
Daarom dat ik dit board zo interresant vind, dat het niet zo hardcore is dan zijn grote concurrent waarvan ik de naam nu niet ga vernoemen.

**Riki** · 03-08-2003, 22:12

Boeken/Medical Journals/Tijdschriften!

**snipke** · 03-08-2003, 22:29

welke tijdschriften Riki, ik ken geen enkel tijdschrift dat zich bezighoudt met as

**Adonis** · 03-08-2003, 22:34

dank u zeer, genoeg leesplezier vor mij komende tijd

**Darren** · 03-08-2003, 23:15

Heb het geluk dat ik tijdens mijn werk on-line kan zijn en overal kan surfen en lezen wat ik wil. Moet enkel maken dat ik mijn geschiedenis en cookies verwijder, kwestie van te voorkomen dat men ziet wat ik bekijk.

**whoknows** · 05-08-2003, 20:12

Darren wel eens van proxies(erver) gehoord? Je gaat zeer waarschijnlijk via een proxie het internet op en daarbij kan van alles gelogd worden. Systeembeheerders kijken het eerst daar na ,als ze je internet gebruik willen nagaan.

Ik lees veel dingen na op engelse sites.

**Darren** · 05-08-2003, 23:15

Originally posted by [b

Citaat[/b] (whoknows @ Aug. 05 2003,21:12)]Darren wel eens van proxies(erver) gehoord? Je gaat zeer waarschijnlijk via een proxie het internet op en daarbij kan van alles gelogd worden. Systeembeheerders kijken het eerst daar na ,als ze je internet gebruik willen nagaan.

Ik lees veel dingen na op engelse sites.

Voor managers speelt het geen rol zolang ons werk maar gedaan is. En de grote bazen die kunnen geen Nederlands lezen.

Probeer gewoon alles te wissen voor collega's, die moeten niet weten wat ik bv hier post.

**Axor B.** · 06-08-2003, 11:46

Ik denk idd dat lezen, info verzamel via boeken en internet belangrijk is wat as aangaat maar persoonlijk zorg ik dat ik mijn info OOK krijg van mensen die persoonlijk [veel] ervaring hebben met as.

Grtzzzz Ax

**Adonis** · 06-08-2003, 15:04

Ik heb beetje onderzoek gedaan. ZOu het slim zijn om een winstrol only kuur te nemen ivm met weinig bijeffecten?

en heet winstrol nou ook stromba of zo (maak ik er tenminste uit op)

**Myobolix** · 07-08-2003, 13:36

Koenkie,

Je hebt blijkbaar nog veel werk voor de boeg.
Informeer jezelf, en ga zeker geen dingen zomaar uitproberen, je zal zeker op je bek gaan. Vraag info, hier, ga surfen, op de goeie sites natuurlijk.

Een heel goeie site, met veel achtergrondinfo en goeie basis informatie vind je op anabolicextreme.

Lees de oude artikels en studeer.

Practically Anabolic

Scientifically Anabolic Part II
Part I werkt niet, zal dadelijk posten.

ANABOLIC/ANDROGENIC STEROIDS - A BASIC DESCRIPTION.

The Newbie Dilemma: To Test or not to Test

Dit zijn een paar voorbeelden van goeie artikels.

**Myobolix** · 07-08-2003, 13:40

Scientifically Anabolic
by Grendel

What I have attempted to do with this article will undoubtedly cause controversy among some segments of the bodybuilding community. The genesis of this article was the thousands of questions that have been submitted to Anabolic Extreme regarding steroids and their use. Beginners and experts alike routinely contact Anabolic Extreme to get help putting together a steroid cycle.
Answering those sorts of questions is very repetitive. There is not much that someone can do for other people over the Internet. We can only look at their reported information (accurate or not) and do our best. There are so many variables in designing an anabolic program, it’s almost impossible to quickly answer all the questions that occur. Additionally, given the climate surrounding anabolic steroid use today, there is some degree of liability that is assumed when personally answering questions regarding their use.
Once upon a time, a neophyte wrote to an Internet site to get help with a cycle. The cycle that came back (and our neophyte also bought some supplements from the guy too) was complete bull. The neophyte made it very clear what drugs he had access to: nandrolone (deca), Sustanon, and some Thai Dianabol. The cycle that came back talked about testosterone propionate, Equipoise, and Anadrol. Well, what good was this entire cycle going to do when at the time this newbie didn’t have access to the individual components?
I decided one night in the shower that I would write an article to help everyone put together a basic cycle that was very flexible according to drug availability. I then also decided that I would try to formulate a quantitative method of figuring out weekly dosages. Lastly, I would provide modifications based on experience and weight, as well as what the cycle was designed to do (diet, bulk, athletics).
And so my next two articles were born. This is a work in progress, a scientific experiment. I want people to look over these ideas, try them, reflect on them, and then provide feedback. Ideally, I would like to adjust all these figures and tables until I have a finely tuned machine. Right now, I have a model-T; I want a Jaguar, sleek, elegant and powerful (like me)!
This first installment will discuss how to determine the starting point of the cycle. In next week’s issue we will deal with adjustments to the model and the use of auxiliary drugs including anti-estrogens (also aromatase inhibitors), insulin, and growth hormone.
Before we get into this in any more depth, I want you to stop and go to the Anabolic Extreme archives. There are several articles that I think you should read before going any further. To save you time, I have provided the following links:
Practically Anabolic
Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids
To Test or Not To Test
Ok now, you should be in a fairly decent position for us to begin…

Step One

Find your average weight in pounds. This is very simple to do. If you can’t do it, well then take your own life because you are only working off about one-one hundredth of a brain. Take this figure, round it up, and then multiply it by four. This is your un-adjusted weekly milligram score (UWM). This chart is applicable only to males in fairly decent shape. Obviously a 250lbs man with 30% bodyfat shouldn’t even be considering the use of steroids. For our purposes, the chart applies to men with 15% bodyfat or less.
Weight in Pounds
Unadjusted Weekly Milligram Score
140-150 600
150-160 640
160-170 680
170-180 720
180-190 760
190-200 800
200-210 840
210-220 880
220-230 920
230-240 960
240-250 1000
250+ 1000

The most important decision in deciding how many total milligrams to use in a cycle is experience. If this your first cycle, then you need less juice than if you have been on since birth (like Jason Meuller). If this is your first cycle then you can use between 75 and 100 percent of your UWM score. For each cycle beyond your first, add 10-20 percent to your UWM.

Cycle Number
Multiplying Factor
1 .75 – 1.0
2 1.1 – 1.2
3 1.2 – 1.3
4 1.3 – 1.4
5 1.4 – 1.5

If you weigh 250 pounds, then your UWM would be 1000 mg. If this were your first cycle you would use between 750-1000 mg per week. If this were your fourth cycle, you would use between 1400-1800 mg per week. Remember too that as you gain weight or loss weight, your UWM is changing too. Once you get upwards of 2000 mg per week, there is no reason to increase the dosages any further

Step Two

Select your drugs. To do this, combine drugs from each of the columns of the table presented below.

“A” Drugs (Orals)
“B” Drugs “C” Drug
Anadrol Primobolan Depot Testosterone esters
Anavar Trenbolone
Winstrol Equipoise
Primobolan Winstrol Depot
Dianabol Deca-Durabolin
Percentage of cycle for this category: 0 –25% Percentage of cycle for this category: 0 –50% Percentage of cycle for this category: 50 –100%

Every cycle must include a “C” class drug. The rest of the percentages can be divided between the other columns as a matter of availability of preference. This method of designing cycles does not allow for some of the classic stacks, such as the deca/dianabol stack. However, I feel that this method results in high quality cycles and muscle gains that will be retained.
If a person was trying to use 1000mg per week, this table might be applied in this way. A 25/25/50 split would be used from each column. 250 mg per week of column 1 (one anadrol 5 days per week), 250 mg from column 2 (250 mg deca per week) and 500 mg testosterone.
The whole idea of this table arrangement is to permit flexibility based on drug availability. This is not to say that all drugs are equal, but it permits you to make do with what you have or what you can get. I do think that people need to research drug side effects well before they start planning a cycle. Don’t say that Anavar and Anadrol are in the same column, so they are the same. They are clearly no! But, you should know at least that much before you ever take your first pill.
I advocate that a beginner use a very small amount of drugs from the oral column, instead drawing mostly from “C” and “B”. This is not to say that a drug like Dianabol is a bad idea for a beginner, but honestly, injectables are much more suited to a cycle. Beginners gravitate towards orals because they fear injections, but generally speaking, injectable drugs have less adverse side effects (such as liver toxicity) and provide a higher quality of gains. This is my personal recommendation and you are free to decide for yourself.

Step Three

It’s all in the timing. Now that we have arrived at a weekly dosage level and determined our drug split from the table, its time to figure out the dosing schedule. To do this effectively, it’s time to briefly visit (revisit) the notion of esters, particularly as they apply to testosterone (but also applicable to nandrolone).
Acetate: Chemical Structure C2H4O2
Acetate is an extremely light ester and makes a drug extremely fast acting. Acetate is commonly found in trenbolone (as distilled from cattle implants) but also in oral Primobolan tablets. It has occasionally been used with testosterone. Acetate should be injected at least every other day, but daily is preferable. If using oral Primobolan, take your weekly dosage divided up daily.
Propionate: Chemical Structure C3H6O2
Propionate esters release the drug over the course of a few days, therefore injections should be at least every 3 days, although every other day is preferable. Propionate is a common ester of testosterone.
Phenyl propionate: Chemical Structure C9H10O2
This ester is slightly longer acting then propionate Injections should be given at least twice weekly. Durabolin is the drug most commonly seen with a phenylpropionate ester (nandrolone phenylpropionate). Phenyl propionate is also found in Organon’s blend of Sustanon.
Isocaproate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2
Isocaproate lasts in the body about half as long as enanthate. Injections should be made on a bi-weekly basis. This ester is used with testosterone in the blended products like Sustanon.
Caproate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2
This ester has the same chemical make-up as Isocaproate, but is arranged differently (I know you don’t really care how). It has a slightly longer period of action than Isocaproate, but not significantly enough to modify an injection scheme. One a week is sufficiently frequent. This ester is also found in blends like Sustanon.
Enanthate: Chemical Structure C7H14O2
Enanthate is one of the most prominent esters used in steroid manufacture (most commonly seen with testosterone but is also used in other compounds like Primobolan Depot). Enanthate lasts in the body for about 2 weeks (12-14 days). Technically injections should be bi-weekly (twice per week), but practically weekly injections are just as effective.
Cypionate: Chemical Structure C8H14O2
For all practical purposes, cypionate is exactly the same as enanthate.
Decanoate: Chemical Structure C10H20O2
Weekly injections are sufficient, although this compound has a period of action of almost a month
Undecylenate: Chemical Structure C11H20O2
Undecylenate is found in the veterinary preparation Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate). Weekly injections are ideal.
Undecanoate: Chemical Structure C11H22O2
Undecanoate is not a commonly found ester, and only appears to be used in the nandrolone preparation Dynabolan, and oral testosterone undecanoate (Andriol). Weekly injections will suffice.
That should cover the injection timing. Orals are much more simple. Take your weekly dose and divide it by 7. This is your daily dosage. If possible, divide your daily dosage up over the course of the day. If this is impossible (i.e. you only take 50 mg of Anadrol per day), daily timing doesn’t matter.
Another important consideration in your drug choice is based on the possibility of drug testing. If you worry that you might be subject to a drug test, then select drugs with short periods of action, such as propionate or acetate. A stack of testosterone propionate and trenbolone acetate would be very hard to detect as little as a week after your last injection. Drugs like Sustanon or Deca-durabolin, because of the decanoate ester, will last much longer in your system making defeating a drug test somewhat more difficult. That’s it for now; will see you next week!

**Curiosio** · 07-08-2003, 14:35

Originally posted by [b

Citaat[/b] (moody @ Aug. 03 2003,22:33)]Ja daar ben ik het ook volkomen mee eens .
Daarom dat ik dit board zo interresant vind, dat het niet zo hardcore is dan zijn grote concurrent waarvan ik de naam nu niet ga vernoemen.

Greets...

Waar halen jullie al je info vandaan??