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Originally posted by Snuff-Sann View PostHoort dit dan ook niet ergens anders, sectie voeding misschien?
Edit: Sorry Fal, ik zal stoppen met vlaaien gooien. Even pesten mag wel he ."Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid."
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Hoop dat ik me wel beter voel morgen. Heb vanacht echt kut geslapen. Werd elke 30mins wakker. Voelde overal steken in me quads, knieen, ellebogen, borst, rug, voorste kop schouders, bicep aanhechtingen. Heb liggen creperen van de pijn. Vanwege gebrek aan slaap lichte hoofdpijn en kloppend rechter oog. Vanacht hopelijk beter slapen en dan morgen hard trainen
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Om er weer even in te komen wat nederlandse death metal
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Falstyr, jij hebt alles goed uitgepluisd en mooi op een rijtje, respect daarvoor!
Ik ben al een tijdje een stille lezer en vraag me af wat jouw mening is over magere chocomelk als Pre- en Post-workout ...
Ik denk dat het als Post-workout best wel handig is, aangezien ik hier nog een interessant artikel heb over gelezen!
Wat is jouw mening over het programma "I,Bodybuilder"?
Succes verder!Last edited by E C T O; 03-02-2010, 19:11.Revalidation from the Nuss procedure ...
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Ook maar eens effe Falstyr's thread hijacken, article van tom venuto over melk en choco melk als pre/postworkout. lapje text lees gewoon conclusie als je te lui bent, als der interesse is post ik wel part 2 van het article.
There's been enormous discussion this year both on and offline, about milk and even chocolate milk as cheap post-workout recovery drinks. Imagine that - get your chocolate and sugar fixes while getting leaner and more muscular at the same time? It sounds too good to be true; even gimmicky. Some people say, even if it works, it couldn't possibly be more effective than today's crop of sophisticated protein powders and recovery drinks. Others swear it must be unhealthy because chocolate milk contains sucrose and or corn syrup.
What most people fail to realize is that there's a difference between sedentary, overweight individuals consuming a surplus of calories from sugar and corn syrup-laden soft drinks and extremely active athletes strategically drinking carbohydrate drinks for re-hydration, electrolyte replacement and glycogen replenishment. For decades, athletes have been drinking carbohydrate sports drinks such as Gatorade, Powerade or Endurox. These contain refined sugar and yet many of the athletes who use them possess amazingly fit, ripped and muscular physiques while performing at peak levels.
Studies on carbohydrate drinks and endurance training are plentiful, but what about for strength sports, bodybuilding and weight loss? What would be an ideal post workout beverage after weight training? What might help us recover faster and gain more muscle while keeping low body fat or even losing fat?
Initially, researchers wondered whether a drink with protein was more effective for post-workout nutrition than a carbohydrate drink, and that was quickly proven to be the case, which is why post-workout drinks designed for resistance training exercise all contain protein and carbs, not one or the other.
Next, scientists began asking, if this is true, then would milk fit that bill? After all, milk contains carbs (lactose) and protein (whey and casein). Not only that, it provides fluid replacement and electrolytes too. Finally, they wondered, "Well, if expensive post-workout drinks contain whey or whey and casein plus fast-digesting sugars like maltodextrin and dextrose, then what about chocolate milk? That's a fluid with protein and sugar and electrolytes too."
The more these issues were discussed, the more worthy of investigation they appeared. As a result, numerous studies have been done on regular low fat milk as a recovery and re-hydration sports drink. And believe it or not, there have actually been at least two studies on chocolate milk as a post-workout drink.
In 2004, a study at Virginia Tech compared a carbohydrate drink to chocolate milk. Previous research had shown that eating food containing protein caused superior muscle protein synthesis compared to an equal amount of calories without protein. However, these acute findings had not been verified in long term studies. Furthermore, the researchers weren't sure whether the increase in lean muscle was due to the increase in total calories or the specific macronutrients provided.
To resolve these questions, an experiment was designed where two groups of previously untrained young men consumed either chocolate milk or the same number of calories from a carbohydrate electrolyte drink (Gatorade) after every training session, for 10 weeks. Body composition was measured along with hormonal responses and resting energy expenditure to see which beverage produced better responses to training (muscle growth).
Both groups lost body fat, but the difference was not significant. Both groups also gained muscle, and the milk group increased lean body mass slightly more than the carbohydrate group (+ 3.5 lbs vs +1.7 lbs). The difference was not large, but the adaptations were similar, which validated the use of milk.
A more recent study, Chocolate Milk as a Post-Exercise Recovery Aid," (Karp 2007) was published in the International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism. The study concluded, "Chocolate milk, with its high carbohydrate and protein content, may be considered an effective alternative to commercial fluid replacement drinks and carbohydrate replacement drinks for recovery from exhausting, glycogen-depleting exercise."
This study did not examine changes in body composition. Instead, it focused on glycogen re-synthesis and performance (time to exhaustion) in endurance athletes. Therefore, it doesn't tell us how chocolate milk would work for a bodybuilder at increasing lean body mass or decreasing body fat, nor does it compare chocolate milk to whole foods or other post workout drinks like whey and maltodextrin.
However, this study did produce some interesting findings. The chocolate milk was just as effective as Gatorade (a fluid replacement drink without protein) for prolonging time to exhaustion and it was more effective than Endurox (a carbohydrate drink with maltodextrin and protein).
While these are the only two published studies on chocolate milk to date, numerous studies show that regular ole' low fat milk is effective for glycogen re-synthesis, re-hydration and protein synthesis after training. Studies also reveal that milk proteins are superior to soy for protein synthesis and muscle growth over time.
After the original research on fast (whey) and slow (casein) proteins was released, it was believed that the faster protein - whey - would be the protein of choice for the post workout period because presumably, you want to get amino acids to your muscles quickly after training. Subsequent research showed that pure whey might actually be too fast (transient) and led some researchers to propose that a mix of whey and casein would be ideal. Guess what milk has?
Milk contains high quality protein in the form of 20% whey and 80% casein. There may be a synergy between the two because whey provides an anabolic effect, while casein provides an anti-catabolic effect. Research by Kevin Tipton confirmed that either protein - whey or casein - can stimulate an anabolic response in muscle after exercise. So, while many people have claimed good results with whey-based post workout drinks, it doesn't appear fair to say that whey is the only protein that should be used in a post-workout meal.
As for carbohydrates, most commercial post-workout drinks use maltodextrin, dextrose, or a mix of the two. Chocolate milk contains sucrose or sucrose and corn syrup. The prevailing post-workout drink wisdom for years has given the nod to maltodextrin and dextrose. Subsequent research however, has found no major difference between sucrose and maltodextrin/dextrose for glycogen replenishment.
One of the reasons that most people react with shock the first time they hear that simple sugars are not only used, but recommended in sports nutrition, is because they've developed a belief that refined sugars should never, ever be consumed. After all, they're refined, empty calories, right? In particular, the public has been warned in recent years about the contribution of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) to the obesity epidemic, so many people fear that they'll gain body fat by consuming any sugar.
However, the reason HFCS has contributed to obesity is because it has been a prime source of excess calories, particularly through soft drinks. If calorie needs are properly accounted for, fears of occasional use of sucrose or even HFCS in post workout drinks after strength training appear unwarranted. To put your mind at ease, think of it this way: Many people get fabulous results on a 90% compliance rule, where 10% of their foods are cheat meals, often high sugar foods (sometimes chocolate). Ironically, they are fine with the cheat meal concept, but they still frown at the idea of sugar in a post workout drink three or four times per week.
One of the reasons that chocolate milk has been debated as a viable recovery drink lately is simply economics. There are all kinds of new and hyped-up post-workout drinks being marketed heavily today and they're often very expensive, some 2 or even 3 times more expensive than chocolate milk. Chocolate milk is no miracle drink, but the research is clear about one point: It's a perfectly viable, yet cheaper alternative to expensive commercial bodybuilding and sports nutrition products.
So am I recommending that you stop what you're doing now and start consuming chocolate milk after all your workouts? Not at all. I'm simply presenting the facts objectively, which say that milk is now a proven option for sports drinks. Even chocolate milk has demonstrated itself in two studies as an acceptable alternative to commercial post workout drinks made with whey protein and maltodextrin.
With that said, I think it's important to look at the pros and cons of any nutritional practice. Like many nutrition trends, word of mouth is spreading fast that "chocolate milk is the perfect post workout drink!" While it may be an option, it's not so clear whether it's the best option. As part of my contribution to all the recent discussions on this subject, I'd like to present the other side - why you might not want to use chocolate milk or high sugar drinks, even for post-workout nutrition. That's coming up in part two.
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Vandaag een Pull dag. Begon met Hang Cleans en militairy presses. Opwarmen met 45kg gaf al wat problemen. Afzetten deed ik voorheen altijd ten hoogte van me quads, maar tegenwoordig is het op de harde brug net onder me buik. Daar zit ook geen vet meer dus dat doet enorm veel auw. Heb dus mijn handdoek in me broek gedaan en een andere handdoek gepakt om me zweet mee af te vegen.
De 45kg werd uiteindelijk gewoon een soort Snatch ipv Hang Clean. Me explosiviteit was zodanig dat het gewicht boven me hoofd eindigde zonder een push beweging van de armen. Hierna de 65kg. Een jaar terug ging dit nog enorm moeizaam en had een Push Press nodig met uitstoten. Nu was het totaal anders. Ik nam niet eens de moeite om de barbel op me borst op te vangen. In de lucht draaide ik me polse om de barbel en stootte in 1x door boven me hoofd. Dus ik deed eigenlijk alleen een press van ongeveer neus hoogte omhoog.
Op naar de Barbel Bent over Row. De eerste set was ik verrast hoe licht de 60kg aanvoelde. Deed het op borst hoogte en knalde beetje hard tegen me borst. MichaelP had hetzelfde probleem met zijn 40kg en verloor zelfs even zijn lucht hierdoor en lag dubbel van het lachen. De eerste poging met 100kg was pittig en stopte zodra het tempo minder werd. Daarna nog een set met 10 easy reps. De DB Row ging ook lekker tot 50kg. Me linkerhand is dus best goed in orde op moment dus kan eindelijk me rug weer enigsinds goed aanpakken.
Ten einde wilde ik nog wat singles met deadlift doen. Puur om te kijken of ik me "groove" eindelijk terug heb. Vergeet het maar. Deadliften gaat voor geen reet en voelt gewoon fout aan. Erg kut...
Bij binnenkomst zei MichaelP al meteen dat hij duidelijk zag dat ik afgevallen ben. Tja...3,4% vet in 2 weken waarvan hij me al bijna 1 hele week niet gezien heeft...dan valt het wel op
Heb de Anavar vroegtijdig verwijderd. In het verleden werd ik hier al ontoepasselijk van en nu weer. In de toekomst zal ik dus NOOIT meer Anavar gebruiken. Eerder deze week 500IU HCG gezet en me ballen lijken nu weer op normale grootte te zijn. Volgende week weer 500IU en daarna de dosering verlagen en kijken of dat voldoende zal zijn.
Regelmatig lig ik 's avonds in bed nog over van alles na te denken. Afgelopen maandag was het onderwerp amateur atleetjes die klagen dat ze traag worden van krachtsport. Welke dombo gaat dan ook trainen als een bodybuilder/fitnesser terwijl hun kracht schema opgezet moet worden als ondersteuning voor hun voetbal, tennis, boksen of weet ik wat. Ga trainen als een powerlifter met 1 dag voor puur kracht en de andere dag puur op snelheid en explosiviteit. Dan bouw je kracht op en leert het lichaam deze kracht ook explosief toe te passen waardoor je juist super snel kan worden zowel in lower als upper body. Dus toen lag ik in bed de bench toe te passen in de stoten van een vechter. Mijn stoten waren super snel en zag ze soms zelfs niet meer. Moest toen naar bed en in mijn semi-slaperigheid bleef ik verder gaan in mijn hoofd en ook de bewegingen. Toen hoorde ik iets en werd volledig wakker en alert. Mijn hand zat vast...ik had dwars door de wc deur gemept. Gelukkig hadf ik bij het verhuizen wat deuren uit andere kamers verwijderd en beneden in de stalling gezet. Dus de ene deur bij grofvuil en vervangen.
Rondom de work-outs zou ik geen magere melk of chocomel pakken. Gewoon volle en alleen NA de work-out tijdens een bulk. In een cut schrappen die handel.
I, Bodybuilder heb ik nog geen mening over. Het programma is nog niet eens compleet op de website te vinden.
Droge Cijfers
Hang Cleans & Militairy Press
45,5kg 3x3 - snatches
65,6kg 8x3
Bent over Row
60kg x 10
80kg x 10
100kg x 7
100kg x 10
DB Row
40,5kg x 8
45,5kg x 6
50,5kg x 6
Deadlift
60kg x 1
100kg x 1Last edited by Falstyr; 03-02-2010, 20:49.
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haha vermakelijk.... The Rampaging Bull..The Sky Ain't The Limit
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragement, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak."
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Originally posted by Falstyr View PostRondom de work-outs zou ik geen magere melk of chocomel pakken. Gewoon volle en alleen NA de work-out tijdens een bulk. In een cut schrappen die handel.
I, Bodybuilder heb ik nog geen mening over. Het programma is nog niet eens compleet op de website te vinden.
An Objective Comparison of Chocolate Milk and Surge Recovery | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald
Het wordt afwachten op het volledige I, Bodybuilder programma!
Verder nette workout en goed dat je leert uit je fouten!Revalidation from the Nuss procedure ...
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